Many Thanks

[Rufus]

Hi, HOTC.

It's Rufus from Transcendents. I just wanted to thank you all for the hospitality over these past couple days. It was very generous of you to walk Silencio, Allecto, Ceries, Ret and I through MC on Sunday. It was hugely helpful and we're totally amped over some of the things we observed... It's definitely going to make things easier for us as we get deeper in there with Bushido.

Also, BWL and Onyxia last night were a blast. (Well, except for the agro stealing and wiping. That sucked.) BWL is... different. Hopefully my crew will be making it in there one of these days. More importantly, thank you all so, so much for helping get Jebu and Wildman their Quel'Serrars. Those are going to help us a bunch on the tanking front.

Thanks again... HOTC, MVB, you guys are class acts. It's been fun hanging the last couple days. See you in-game.

Rufus

[Muin]

BWL you will find is completely opposite of MC. In MC people can very much slack off and get away with it, while in BWL it requires 100% focus and 100% of your ability to conquer everything in there.

It is also vital that your members know very well the costs and time associated with learning that instance..as you'll be wiping often.

[Leridyn]

Rufus - I was able to be with you guys for the MC run, and congrats on your winnings! <<hugs>> As I was telling Ceries on Sunday night, one of the great things about this guild is its willingness to share knowledge and experience when possible, for nothing more than to help others out. It makes me very proud to be part of such a group. Plus there's nothing wrong with making cross-guild friendships! Ya never know...you might find a silleh little dorf priest asking if ya need her for your raid for Ony or MC some day!

Muin: I'm sorry, but I really don't agree with your statement, Muin. I don't see BWL as opposite of MC at all. Perhaps a wee bit more difficult, and using much different strategies, but not opposite. What both these instances force a group to do is to have good class balance and rely on the abilities of each of those classes to succeed.

I think MC can *seem* easier than BWL because by the time you're geared up to raid BWL (and you have the experience, etc.,) MC was your training ground. Hopefully, by the time any guild attempts BWL, they will have MC on farm status, which makes it easy. Think about the first time you went through Scholomance or Dire Maul - tough, eh? Now...piece of cake (usually...heh). Same with MC, but on a much larger level.

I know for a fact that HotC has worked as hard getting through MC as we did (and still do) in BWL. And we've conquered both. Both instances require 100% learning & discipline.

You might be able to slack off in MC, but neither my rogue nor my priest have that luxury. I give my all when I'm in either instance as either toon. Maybe it's because I'm more of a crappeh player and dare not slack when I'm in an instance, but I really don't think it's wise to announce that MC is a cakewalk, because I have seen it wipe experienced groups if they're not playing well together or if they don't put their mind to it. Sunday night, my priest got wtfpwned badly during ragnaros. Believe me...it's not like farming yeti's in feralas.

Yah...y'all will wipe often. It's a fact of the game. The better gear you get, the more it costs to repair. We all did it. But every time we went in, we wiped less & less through learning. It's not any different than learning any of the other instances.

Just my 2 cents here.

[Muin]

Oh Don't get me wrong. MC is difficult initially. But players can generally...say as a rogue slack off on DPS, or people can be idle...as in "I have to get a drink, or i'm going to the washroom." on the phone, or any other excuse...and people still continue clearing, and downing bosses.

I don't think MC is a cakewalk, I give it my all in every instance I've been a part in. But what I meant to say in my previous post was that, BWL will require 100% focus in every boss encounter. Every single player in the raid will have to give it their all. there is no room for error more often than not, and you need 100% focus and execution between 40 people. that can be hard to attain at times.

[Leridyn]

I see where you're coming from. I know I personally NEVER take a bio break (and I have my own special sit-in-seat-dance for it) unless it's specifically announced or I know for a fact that we're in between mobs and I'll have 30 seconds to go.

I play a 60 rogue AND a 60 priest, and unless my computer has crapped out on me or my lag has been thrugh the roof, I've never slacked off. Hmmm...I dunno.

Maybe next time I go to MC, I'll just put myself on /follow Lardgibs and eat some ice cream! :)

[Asarlai]

I tried to /follow Allirath but found out he was already /following me so we just sat there. It didn't work out so well. :)

[Jigbon]

Thats a great tactic in MC, go afk for a couple of hours with a non-afk macro on /follow. works great

[Zephonia]

I'm a hunter, I just point and shoot. But, owait, I'm the puller. Incoming giants.

[Muin]

Thats a great tactic in MC, go afk for a couple of hours with a non-afk macro on /follow. works great


Seen it done many times. yet they are magically there for boss encounters and bidding. go figure.

[Wildman]

I going to chime off of Rufus's post.

I would like to thank Heroes of the Command for invited myself and my guild mate Jebu along to complete our Quel quests.

I helps us out as a guild tremendously. I appreciate all your patience and willingness to help.

Thanks again!

[blacksoul]

I beat Zeph in the Rag fight - Har Har =P

Rufus and Co. you guys were fun to have along and you certainly pulled your weight! I wish you success in your future MC runs, and hope you learned some things =)

[Kordrann]

MC and BWL are probably equally "hard" if you're equally prepared going into them. BWL's boss fights require the individual to perform at a higher level across the board. Typically in MC, there are 1 or 2 people who will wipe the raid if they screw up in any given fight. In BWL, many fights require 5 people, or even the entire raid to not screw up. There just isn't as much allowable slack there person-to-person.

[Silencio of Dalaran]

hey folks, just wanted to add my thanks to rufus': had a blast both in BWL (suppression room? crazy!) and at Ony.

really enjoyed being along. thanks for inviting me to the fun

[Muin]

Suppression room is perhaps the best part of BWL in my opinion.
Nothing beats the trap disabling contests with Rogues you can't even see :P