Gankers 'ARE' friendless losers.

[Rubba Duck]

A few weeks ago when i was grinding to 60 (was at 58 the time) i was repeatedly ganked with an epix laden Dorf Hunter, Sigto. That pissed me off, i was clearly no challenge to him, and i was trying to level, which pissed me more.

A few days ago i came across this thread on Daggerspine Forums:
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-daggerspine-en&t=34435&p=1
This hunter was corpsecamped and made a thread to whine about it, i expected for many alliance to come and defend him, but no, 90% of the posters hate him and said he deserved it. Just made me feel much better inside knowing that he is not only a lamer, but a loner too ^^

[stats]

it's only ganking if theres more than one of them =/ i used to attack any alliance i came accross as a matter of principle ...

[The Dark Messenger]

More than one of them including any mobs, etc. Also, camping, while not the same, earns its own shoddy reputation :)

[Marb]

Heh reminds me of this Tier 2 lvl 60 Shaman (Ten Storms?) trying to have some good old Ironforge fun. Yeah, he regret it alright.. 3 times in a row.

[Rubba Duck]

I only kill lvl 48 and up. And i only kill them once, its not right repeat killing someone when they dont stand a chance vs you.

[TheJohn]

I only kill lvl 48 and up. And i only kill them once, its not right repeat killing someone when they dont stand a chance vs you.

/QFT

I was killed like 8+ times by a 60 Alliance Mage in Western Plaguelands. He dont get any honor for killing me that many times all he gets is one more guy HATING him:furious:

[Quietus]

There is absolutely no risk in WoW pvp, and the story has pitted each side against each other. You cannot get upset when someone shows up and begins owning you, ganking you, or camping you even while you are leveling. You also can't throw a fit when you get owned and go posting about it. :)

I used to kill EVERY alliance I came across, like stats, just on principle. That plus there was absolutely no risk. I could attack any of them on sight, with no fear whatsoever. That fact alone is why most people do stuff like this.

And I sure as hell didn't want to play some carebear shit with paladins roaming around without fear. So I had to be the source of that fear. :)

[Ilona]

:tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum:


There is absolutely no risk in WoW pvp, and the story has pitted each side against each other. You cannot get upset when someone shows up and begins owning you, ganking you, or camping you even while you are leveling.
You presume to tell us what we can and cannot feel? Wow, how's that for being a stuck-up pig.

I hate gankers. I think killing the other side on sight, regardless of their level or what they're doing, is plain stupid. Why? Because I have some measure of self respect. Killing someone who doesn't stand a chance against you is not fun. When I was a kid, I once ran around catching bumblebees and drowning them. Why? Because I could. How old was I? Seven. Similarly, I know kids do things like pull the wings and legs off of flies and pull malicious pranks on each other purely because they like it when others suffer. That's about the level of maturity a ganker shows. "I can kill you so I'm gonna, and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it, ha, ha, ha!"

If people stuck to starting a fight when the other person actually has some sort of chance, PvP would be SO much more fun. As it is now, it's gankfest, and fucking ridiculous. Going to STV for the pure purpose of ganking is possibly the height (actually, I should say "rock bottom") of immaturity.

So, to everyone in Green Goo: if you're a ganker, don't tell me about it, or I lose whatever smidgen of respect I might once have had for you. I think ganking is stupid, immature and bloody annoying.



(My definition of ganking is to kill someone who doesn't have any chance of fighting back or even running. For instance someone who's much lower level than you, or fighting mobs, or if you have several friends to help you and they don't. Killing someone who's within your honor spectrum once, fine. Killing someone who attacked you first, fine. Repeatedly harrassing someone who's trying to do a quest, go fuck yourself. Corpse camping someone who didn't deserve it (by ganking/cc:ing in the first place), go fuck yourself.)

[Vildoomer]

since when do you swear ilona. And might I add I find YOU (Ilona) immature on this fact because it IS something that is in the game and you just cant stop people from doing just that nomatter what you think. I personally do not gank and I get aggrovated when someone ganks me but I think it is a bit patethic to start hating or losing youre respect for someone just because they kill some helpless oponent..

thats my say in this matter.

[The Dark Messenger]

Whatever, karmic retribution will get you in the end. Besides, having to wait for the alliance raid to enter MC before you can do BRD is unfair in the first place - there is NO defense against mind control spam. It may be a feature of the game, but so is rolling need on things you don't need. Sure, you can do it, why not?

[Ilona]

since when do you swear ilona.
Since always. Tend to do it more when I'm annoyed. Funny that you should react, I kinda doubt you would've if I were male.

And might I add I find YOU (Ilona) immature on this fact because it IS something that is in the game and you just cant stop people from doing just that nomatter what you think. I personally do not gank and I get aggrovated when someone ganks me but I think it is a bit patethic to start hating or losing youre respect for someone just because they kill some helpless oponent..

thats my say in this matter.
GFU. My opinion's my opinion, your opinion's yours. I don't hate anyone. I just think it's pathetic to gank people. If you think I'm pathetic for finding people pathetic, that's your problem. I have no illusions about stopping people from ganking. You may have noted I said "if you're a ganker, don't tell me. I can't stop anyone, but as long as I don't know about it at least I'm spared the discomfort of disliking people's actions.

Also, there's the fact that if someone else with Green Goo under their name goes ganking, chances are our reputation will drop, and we may end up on otherwise respectable alliance guilds' KoS lists. I don't want to get ganked simply because some idiot in my guild harrassed someone.

[Ilona]

It may be a feature of the game, but so is rolling need on things you don't need. Sure, you can do it, why not?
Point well made, Kraggles.

[Quietus]

I hate gankers. I think killing the other side on sight, regardless of their level or what they're doing, is plain stupid. Why? Because I have some measure of self respect. Killing someone who doesn't stand a chance against you is not fun. When I was a kid, I once ran around catching bumblebees and drowning them. Why? Because I could. How old was I? Seven. Similarly, I know kids do things like pull the wings and legs off of flies and pull malicious pranks on each other purely because they like it when others suffer. That's about the level of maturity a ganker shows. "I can kill you so I'm gonna, and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it, ha, ha, ha!"

I never said I advocated ganking, so you can get off your high and mighty horse. :) But your definition of ganking is different from the norm. Killing someone who is much lower level, or who cannot escape, etc is just killing them. Maybe a little mean spirited, but not ganking.

Ganking originated in PvP games as a slang term for "gang kill". No I don't support ganking, and I almost always PvP'd solo. Just for clarification, a gang is usually 2 or more people killing one person. People who like to own newbies, and grief questers are normally just called assholes. You WoWers aren't allowed to just change around the definitions at will. :)

But sadly ganking, camping, and griefing as a whole is a part of the game, it's not my opinion as a "stuck up pig", it is a fact. Blizzard could put in measures to stop it, but they haven't. So if anything, blame blizzard for making it so easy for a loser to ruin the gameplay of so many others.

There is nothing you can do about it, except for you to avoid it. WoW has one of the shittiest PvP systems that has ever hit the MMO market. This poorly developed system is what brings out and allows these people to gank, camp, and ruin the fun of others, this is known universally throughout all MMOs as griefing. These "friendless losers" need a way to release themselves, and their anger. A risk free pvp environment provides the perfect setting for them to do so.

The alliance vs horde system is a core system of WoW, this is why you are HOSTILE to all of them, including the level 1 who just cruised out of character creation. The no risk system, combined with the well intentioned but poorly implemented alliance vs horde system provides a huge pool of targets for people to release their malicious side on. If you don't like this, there is always Everquest 2.

[Ilona]

I never said I advocated ganking, so you can get off your high and mighty horse. :)
I sold my horse when I started high school, and for the record he was neither high nor mighty. :P

But your definition of ganking is different from the norm. Killing someone who is much lower level, or who cannot escape, etc is just killing them. Maybe a little mean spirited, but not ganking.
There are apparently two norms. First the definition I used, which is the only definition I encountered for my first ten months or so of gaming. Then there's another definition that I've only just encountered.

Either way, I never said I could stop anyone. I just objected to your telling me I cannot get upset when stuff like that happens. I can get upset, and sometimes I do, but for the most part I don't.

Also, I think it's pretty weird to justify something by saying "it's possible to do, therefore people do it". It's possible to pull the wings off flies, it's possible to kick people in the groin, it's possible to stab someone in the back with a kitchen knife. That doesn't mean it's okay. Yeah, the PvP system sucks. Doesn't mean we have to use it that way. If we were all mature about it, it'd be more fun to play on a PvP server.

Idealistic? Perhaps, but at least some of us have to be to weigh out the majority of the Daggerspine population; immature morons the lot of them.


As evidenced by the lack of swearing, I'm not angry anymore. I apologise for my outburst, but all my points stand.

[Vildoomer]

No ilona I would have said the same thing if you were a male. It is kinda weird to say that to me because I never threated you any different from anybody else. I see youre point and my I misinterpreted it the first time because you were all angry and stuff. My point was more about you being mad then the ganking. I dont like ganking either but to get that mad... Well if there are any more things tell me.

[TooTall]

My solution to being mad;
- Get to STV
- Find yourself a alliance player in lvl 30-40
- Wait till he/she is low on health and/or mana (preferably both)
- And,... /hug spam FTW!!!!
(- and get killed by the 60 rogue friend of the ally that thinks you might kill his/her friend)

[TooTall]

Seriously do it the carebear way :banana:

(oh btw, yes I'm trying to be funny again)