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DrunkenUno
Dec 7, 2004, @ 03:06 AM
Hmm?

MVB
Dec 7, 2004, @ 03:09 AM
http://www.beerinfo.com/atlbeer/img/swblue.jpg

DrunkenUno
Dec 7, 2004, @ 03:10 AM
Vote in the poll, thats a local microbrew, yes?

Outrageous Cheek
Dec 7, 2004, @ 03:30 AM
Where the hell is Stella??!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!!

Justice
Dec 7, 2004, @ 03:36 AM
:lol:

I vote pussy.

cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-

Polaris
Dec 7, 2004, @ 03:46 AM
I'm too young/pussy to drink yet
are you saying they're equivelent? or are you just using a "/" instead of an "or"?
i dunno
i've tried asking for alcoholic beverages on multiple occasions but been flatly denied. im pretty sure my uncle doesnt care, but he doesnt want to deal with mom. grrr. moderate drinking cant hurt the average 16 year old that much, can it?

MVB
Dec 7, 2004, @ 03:51 AM
Drunk you voted fucking Corona?

DJTheBaron
Dec 7, 2004, @ 04:01 AM
tlsc beer, cobra lagar, stella, harp lagar, tennants, carlsberg, bass, carling, corona

in that order

tom
Dec 7, 2004, @ 05:00 AM
http://clendening.kumc.edu/dc/sc/NonAlcoholicBeerine.jpg

DrunkenUno
Dec 7, 2004, @ 05:43 AM
Drunk you voted fucking Corona?

Corona with lime is fantastic, though budweiser bottles are my true love due to being so less expensive. But Corona's are fantastic.

But I am a simple cheap-beer drinking college boy.

/<yle
Dec 7, 2004, @ 05:47 AM
Umm. Corona is owned by bud :P

DrunkenUno
Dec 7, 2004, @ 05:59 AM
i've tried asking for alcoholic beverages on multiple occasions but been flatly denied. im pretty sure my uncle doesnt care, but he doesnt want to deal with mom. grrr. moderate drinking cant hurt the average 16 year old that much, can it?

1) Get together 2-3 friends
2) Find a bum
3) have the bum get you X bottles of MadDog. X=Number of people (you + friends).
4) Have the bum get you a)6 pack for 3 people b)12 pack for 4-6 people
5) go to a secluded spot
6) Drink
7) be trashed and go to a movie
8) thank me.

Mad Dog introduced me into the fantabulous world of alcohol. We would get 3 mad dogs and a 6pack of rolling rock from our favorite bum, Prince. Oh good times...

Foree
Dec 7, 2004, @ 08:30 AM
http://www.grupazywiec.pl/_u/1043847737butelka-02.gif

Ummon
Dec 7, 2004, @ 09:19 AM
Ridiculous poll. Euro beer is infinitely superior to that watery stuff you have there in the U.S.

The other day I drank a magnum bottle of 2003 Noel Balladin reserve double malt, ah, the pleasure. Unluckily I have no photos of it since it's rare and doesn't have a site.

MVB
Dec 7, 2004, @ 09:29 AM
Dude, Drunk, you clearly have not had good beer exposure for a cheap college kid. You really need to take me up on the hang-out offer. I'll be in NOVA for good in 9 days.

ilia
Dec 7, 2004, @ 11:59 AM
Hollandia. It may be Euro and not famous but it's certainly not crappy. My fav so far.

Spulm
Dec 7, 2004, @ 12:17 PM
1) Get together 2-3 friends
2) Find a bum
3) have the bum get you X bottles of MadDog. X=Number of people (you + friends).
4) Have the bum get you a)6 pack for 3 people b)12 pack for 4-6 people
5) go to a secluded spot
6) Drink
7) be trashed and go to a movie
thank me.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

oh yes I forgot you guys have to be 21 to drink alcohol! LOL Guess Europe ROX on that part! :P

M.

Captain Salazar Snowberry
Dec 7, 2004, @ 01:10 PM
Propeller beer (http://www.danhyde.com/beer/bottles/121.jpg)

Local micro brewery, okay price, okay flavour. Corona with lime is my favorite in the summer though. Far too cold right now for Corona, it around -9○ right now.

LardGibs
Dec 7, 2004, @ 02:17 PM
http://www.mercurybrewing.com/media/Ipswich/dkale2.jpg http://www.mercurybrewing.com/media/Ipswich/DARK%20IPS%20POP.jpg :drink:

Abyss
Dec 7, 2004, @ 06:20 PM
Alexander Keiths of course!!

Captain Salazar Snowberry
Dec 7, 2004, @ 06:47 PM
Holy shit man! Keiths! How the hell did I forget about Keith's, where do you live man?

/<yle
Dec 7, 2004, @ 10:00 PM
Yer yer... or just keep trying to buy it and eventually the store owner gives in, esp when you live in the middle of no-where

2biT
Dec 8, 2004, @ 01:03 AM
American beer is like making love in a canoe....

















Its FUCKING close to water!




(monty python).


beers:

loopy juice/wife beater (thats stella ((my current beer im drinking as i type this)) to all you non-drunks, on the account that its the maddest shit ever)
Tetley's smooth flow (nothing like a good bitter)
Flowers
Tribute (a local cornish ale)
Spitfire (a pint a day keeps the fokker away)
Then the usual dutch lagers (export,grolsh,carls)
Newky Brown (i have the best way of pouring this that is just plain cool to watch - i learnt it off a Newky Brown guru in the historic town of Warrington)
Then come the english lagers (carrling is the only one i can think off)
Then is my own piss as its better than any american beer.
Then miller.


Techinally all largers/bitters that are on sale here are made/brewed here so that makes imo English beer/larger the best in the world.

MVB
Dec 8, 2004, @ 03:34 AM
I've had a wide variety of European and British beers, ales, lagers, etc.

The jist of it all, IMO, is that nationality has nothing to do with taste, even when you're there in Europe OR America right near where the brew came from.

What matters is the quality and make-up of the beverage.

LardGibs
Dec 8, 2004, @ 01:38 PM
Hmm. Generally this is true but there's one exception I'm aware of.

Belgian beer. There's only one brewery in the US, Brewery Ommegang (Cooperstown NY), that even gets close to the classics like Duvel. However who really pays that much $$ for beer like that. Unibroue in Quebec really pwns too at belgian style.

However for me it's really not my favorite kind of beer although I respect the accomplishment to make a beer 12% abv, dry, and palatable.

Maybe what we could say instead is that Euro beer drinkers are more sophisticated? BudMillerCoors is an area of national shame, a penny to make the beer and $.75 to market it.

-edit-
I probably overgeneralized, there are other Belgian-style brewers in the US/northeast like Allagash who win contests and such but I haven't had their beer or found it in the store etc. Stealing yeast from Belgium seems to be the critical first step.

Abyss
Dec 8, 2004, @ 02:38 PM
Holy shit man! Keiths! How the hell did I forget about Keith's, where do you live man?

I live in Calgary but I got family in Nova Scotia.

MVB
Dec 8, 2004, @ 02:47 PM
See, I don't believe Euro drinkers are more sophisticated either, Lard.

Here's my outlook;

I like the taste of Miller Lite, and for some reason Coors Lite tastes excellent when the Redskins are losing (but not when they are winning, when they are winning I love Red Stripe).

If a European beer is tougher to drink, less tasty, you can't drink it as quickly, and it required more difficulty to make, that means nothing. You see, people have forgotten something incredibly important ... these are alcoholic BEVERAGES. You don't see me going around with a particularly heavy-bodied and slow-drinking version of Coca-Cola, going "Ha I'm more sophisticated than all you other carbonated beverage drinkers."

If I enjoy Miller Lite because it actually pulls off being what it is supposed to be, I consider myself significantly more sophisticated than people who want a beverage to be something besides a beverage. Those said people don't even have a strong grasp of the English language.

What it boils down to is that I dislike the way that -- with beer and really anything else -- people attempt to brand something as more sophisticated than something else. It gets my goat, if you will. I have family, for instance, that "sophisticated" people would call rednecks. Every member of that family has a genius level IQ, scored straight A's all through high school (those that have finished high school when considering some are still in high school), and 2 of them are in prestigious colleges on full scholarships. They LOVE light beer, pizza and football. They're not unsophisticated because they don't like "quality" Euro beers or classical music. They're just a different kind of sophisticated.

So, in short, I disagree with your line of thought that European beers are more sophisticated. I consider them no more or less sophisticated than American beers. If anything, Americans have triumphed in an abililty to make a beer that tastes great, drinks easy, is alcoholic, and isn't super pricey -- this way, the average American has the great chance of affording it.

Ummon
Dec 8, 2004, @ 04:28 PM
European high quality beer is a lot tastier. I have had my share of buds and coronas, that's water. The beers I love have 3 flavours, one when first there's contact between your tongue and the liquid, one right after, and one which remains in place for a long time. Just like good wine. Beer is an art.

MVB
Dec 8, 2004, @ 04:47 PM
You see, I find that miller lite, coors lite, others, all satisfy those requirements in the right situation. I've had EXTREMELY high quality European beers, IN Europe, even AT the very places they were made ... similarly, unless you've been to America, you've had long-bottled and long-shipped American beer, and certainly aren't getting the purest, freshest form you can get.

I noticed the taste of European beer went down when I had the same kinds in America (although many of the same kinds aren't available here), but I found them in no way superior to similar types of American beers. It is, in my opinion, nothing other than the European elitism shown about everything -- from politics on down -- rather than any inherent superiority.

You see, American brewers are simply a continuation of European brewers. It's not like Americans learned how to make beer from scratch, and so are somehow behind the learning curve ... that's a ridiculous notion, since the evolution of beer wasn't somehow retarded by the establishment of the colonies. In fact, England had a HABIT, as did the Netherlands and other nations, of sending its VERY BEST brewers out to the colonies, to enhance the quality of beer produced there. So in reality, the beer in America is evolved from the BEST brewers Europe had to spare back in the colonial era.

allied56
Dec 8, 2004, @ 04:47 PM
1) Get together 2-3 friends
2) Find a bum
3) have the bum get you X bottles of MadDog. X=Number of people (you + friends).
4) Have the bum get you a)6 pack for 3 people b)12 pack for 4-6 people
5) go to a secluded spot
6) Drink
7) be trashed and go to a movie
8) thank me.

Mad Dog introduced me into the fantabulous world of alcohol. We would get 3 mad dogs and a 6pack of rolling rock from our favorite bum, Prince. Oh good times...

a 12 pack or beer for 4-6 ppl. what are a lite weight, its a 24 crate for 4 ppl man, u gotta work on ur drinking if thats all u can take!!

MVB
Dec 8, 2004, @ 04:56 PM
Drunk is a lush; that's why he's always Drunk ... it doesn't take all that much. Fine for him -- makes for a less expensive endeavor.

allied56
Dec 8, 2004, @ 04:58 PM
yea but ur happily partying away and ur on ur 4th can and then ur wastedf and like cant stand then it sux. But if you cvan go further get happily pissed and watch everyone else collapse around you its even better

MVB
Dec 8, 2004, @ 05:02 PM
Well, after spending nights where I would be double-fisting 1/5ths of hard liquor in my earlier years of college, I gave up heavy drinking for the most part. It takes a shiteload to get me drunk, but I don't even get close to pushing the envelope anymore.

Ummon
Dec 8, 2004, @ 05:21 PM
Transportation is always a issue with beer, but "Noels" (beers with spices added to them, which are my favourite ones) can be found only in Europe.

LardGibs
Dec 8, 2004, @ 05:31 PM
re: american beer quality.

BudMillerCoors is devoid of the characteristics of colonial beer, and more importantly pre-Prohibition beer. I know a bit more about Budweiser than average, having been through their New Hampshire plant and through talking to some engineers who work there. It is brewed under economic constraints, I wasn't joking about a penny a pint. The ingredients used are captively produced by/for Budweiser.

I think that for americans of the nascar demographic, beer is primarily about getting drunk, rather than flavor. I'm sure there are Euro products that fit that bill, I had some Kopparberg (sp) Swedish Raspberry 'Cider' that was 3.99 for 6 pint cans here in the US that I would recommend for the preteen crowd unreservedly.
Prohibition wiped out a lot of the diversity and craft that existed when the small regional/local breweries crewed and owned by largely German immigrants were closed. The products that returned post-prohibition were of the WWII wonderbread mass production variety.

The fact is that any brewer at BudMillerCoors is at the pinnacle of their art, but it is their job to make beer out of the cheapest ingredients out there, with maximum shelf life and minimal variability. Also, they are somewhat excused in that certainly the products they make are liked and preferred by nearly all.

For me, just like artisanal breads weren't meant to be shipped and stored for months, but truly represent the best of the art, craft beer really shouldn't travel or even be packaged. Something about a 2-3 week old ale that was properly fermented, unfiltered, unpasteurized, with decent quality ingredients is just so far beyond anything in an aluminum can in general... it's just Different.

Lager brewing is more of a technological stunt, brewing pale colored beer with subtle or near to no flavor, but also very satisfying. 2-3 weeks is pushing it though, more like 6-12 ideally.

Many American micro brews are sadly behind the state of the art, generally because they're crewed by sad hacks who were homebrewers and pursued the goal blindly to make beer that they like. However, it's not about being the best, but being the best around. People like to have a local brew, and it's even better if they can take pride in it.

Finally, in my experiences brewing, things just became totally different and more rewarding when I started making beers according to what other people liked, not my own tastes per se. This means that I use rice, less hops, and more alcoholic strength when I make beer for my fellow Americans :D

For me, beer should have the taste complexity of a nice dark roast coffee taken black. :drink: and the strength of paint thinner since unfortunately it takes a truckload to get me going these days.

MVB
Dec 8, 2004, @ 05:43 PM
Before I read Lard's post, Ummon you're wrong. There are a wide variety of American microbrews with spices added to them that you can find in America. Again, American beermaking is simply continued evolution of European Beermaking. Anything which was even slightly thought of in Europe before the end of the colonial period was equally well-known (or not well-known) in America. The fact that you think spiced beer can only be found in Europe highlights a) European arrogance about everything, including its alcoholic beverages, and b) simply not thinking very hard before you said that, because I know you're not an ignorant person.

MVB
Dec 8, 2004, @ 05:47 PM
That would highlight the difference in what we're suggesting, Lard. I think if an American likes the kind of beer produced by "BudMillerCoors," then as long as they can identify the best beer of that kind, they are just as sophisticated as you, me, or anyone else.

You LIKE beer of a certain kind, and so as long as you have the ability to identify a beer of that fashion in its best form, you should be considered a sophisticated beer drinker as well. What I dislike, and why I posted such a lengthy post, is that you will find few BudMillerCoors drinkers who look down on European beer as bad or awful or too strong or shite-made or arrogant, or whatever. You WILL, however, find that many "Fancy" beer lovers look down on BudMillerCoors and the people who drink said beers.

What this means is that it is often the BudMillerCoors drinkers who are quite sophisticated, and know what they like, and those OTHER mentioned beer drinkers who are not sophisticated at all, but simply petty, snobbish fellows who look down on anyone who drinks a beer made for a different reason or in a different fashion.

MVB
Dec 8, 2004, @ 05:49 PM
Oh, and finally, I'll doubt you'll find any good hard history that proves the prohibition destroyed American beermaking abilities or knowledges in any way whatsoever. In fact, microbrewing and homebrewing, as well as the wonders discovered through such experimentation, vastly improved through prohibition, because it was the most often available beer. MASS beer producers, and their economically questionable fashions, are the ones who suffered the most; smaller size = smaller operating cost = less lost when you do lose it all = more ability to get back up and running following the end of a prohibition that really didn't last all that long at all.

DrunkenUno
Dec 8, 2004, @ 06:03 PM
a 12 pack or beer for 4-6 ppl. what are a lite weight, its a 24 crate for 4 ppl man, u gotta work on ur drinking if thats all u can take!!

...I was giving advice to a 16 year old kid who doesn't drink and needed a way to get alcohol.

I wish it only took that little to get me drunk... would save a lot of money.

And LOL if you are boasting about drinking a 24 with 4 people.

PS... we won a case race last friday... 3 of us killed a case in 42 minutes.

Oh and also... I think you underestimate the getting-fucked-upness of a bottle of MadDog. That shit got me through my early years of drinking... cheap wine=teh pwn.

2biT
Dec 8, 2004, @ 06:24 PM
American mainstream beers are crap. Im not knocking that you are less sophisticated, just that mainstream beers in general are poor when compared to local brewed beer/ale/mild. The problem is mvb that american mainstream beers still dont have the quality of european beers that are 'more like' local brewed. Maybe we should narrow down the argument to just comparing mainstream beers in relation to store bought. I will grant that miller is the best american beer (that ive ever had) and if i want a 'light' drink ie: a few to warm me up before i hit the hard stuff then there are not many european beers that can do that. But if i want to do some proper drinking then i will go european from the start, imo the best american beer is a 'light' beer to me. Maybe that is why they seem close to water to europeans and why american's think european beer tastes harsh.

Spiff's Verdict:

American beer = water/weeker
European beer = best in the world.

MVB
Dec 8, 2004, @ 06:49 PM
Spiff/2bit/randomn00b, the problem is you've never had high-quality American microbrewed beer ... therefore, you can't compare the two nations at all.

What might be better to compare is comparing microbrewed beer to light beer, or something similar, as is the intent of the poll, because TO BE HONEST there are no international differences between beers, in the sense that Americans don't do it differently from Europeans; the kind of beer we're talking about originated in Europe or before, and migrated to the States. So American beer = European beer. There are a variety of American beers, just like there are a variety of European beers.

LardGibs
Dec 8, 2004, @ 06:51 PM
Oh, and finally, I'll doubt you'll find any good hard history that proves the prohibition destroyed American beermaking abilities or knowledges in any way whatsoever. In fact, microbrewing and homebrewing, as well as the wonders discovered through such experimentation, vastly improved through prohibition, because it was the most often available beer. MASS beer producers, and their economically questionable fashions, are the ones who suffered the most; smaller size = smaller operating cost = less lost when you do lose it all = more ability to get back up and running following the end of a prohibition that really didn't last all that long at all.
The knowledge wasn't destroyed, but when your brewery building of 100 years is up for sale, sold, and you're supposed to buy it back when it's full of accounting offices and you're broke?

Yuengling is the only brewery that survived prohibition.

Prohibition homebrew was horrid stuff, made in bathtubs with baker's yeast and any sort of trash that was about. The roots of today's 'craft brewing' are in the DECRIMINALIZATION of homebrewing by Jimmy Carter.

I guess in the interest of facts I have a book at home I'll refer to and edit this post up a little when I refresh my memory: my recollection is that because of the diverse base of a vertically integrated megabrewer, they produced malt syrup, colas, and other agricultural/foodstuff type items, i.e. Pabst Blue Ribbon malt extract is even better known than PBR due to that shift in production.

2biT
Dec 8, 2004, @ 07:42 PM
We are talking mainstream beer, not local stuff. And as for beer tasting the same i challenge you to taste stella vs miller.

Ummon
Dec 8, 2004, @ 08:10 PM
Ok, this is a challenge! ;)

With regard to wines, Europe is 1000 times superior to America. European wines are simply 1000 times better, even if Californian products are growing fast in terms of quality.

With regard to whisky, american whisky is in my experience severely inferior to Scottish/English products.

With regard to beers, since I've not been to the States yet, and beers get ruined through transportation, I cannot tell. Besides, I'm not a expert of beers, just an amateur. But my impression is opposite to what MVB stated. Just an impression though.

MVB
Dec 8, 2004, @ 08:21 PM
Chances are you haven't had ANYTHING other than mass-produced horse piss in terms of American whiskey, as the best American whiskeys are not available in Europe at all.

Also, the best American whiskey is better known as Bourbon, and is a market cornered entirely by America in terms of quality. Don't get me started on liquors. My favorite liquor of all time is high-quality tequila (not that Cuervo bullshi), and you can't get it in Europek, which makes me sad for all ya'll living off shite like Vodka (all Vodka is tasteless shite, as is most clear liquor).

I will say I'm a fan of Grappa, and there are a select few European wines that I find highly palatable. I like Virginia wines, but only because I'm a Virginian, and can acquire wines not grown anywhere else.

There is also a Virginia winery nearby which is run by an Italian who was a master vintner in his home country, and who came over to take advantage of the fact that there are areas of America (such as Virginia) which are highly UNDER-exploited. He's doing fantastic at it as a result. My same theory as prior applies ... wine was not invented in America, and American vintners are simply transplanted European vintners. My great grandfather was the son of an Italian vintner, and he immigrated to the United States. During prohibition he produced wine illicitly for the Massachusettes mafia, selling it to Churches that were providing cover and claiming it was wine for religious practices, which was legal.

Claiming that European wine or anything is superior to American wine or anything is silly, because the majority of this stuff is from the same procedures practiced by Europeans.

Exceptions are in regard to beverages such as Tequila which cannot really be made in Europe, since Europe doesn't exactly have a great climate for Agave.

Justice
Dec 8, 2004, @ 09:29 PM
Have any of you had your livers checked recently?

cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-

Ummon
Dec 8, 2004, @ 09:37 PM
The fact that european wines are better, is widespread knowledge. Of course there are vintners who go away and do a great job in the USA and in Australia too, but overall, Euro wines are still better. This doesn't mean that it will always be so, but now it is. Denying would be denying a fact. Procedures are just 1/3rd of vinification.

The other day for my birthday I had a bottle of Brunello di Montalcino Banfi, Poggio all'Oro. One bottle costs 90$, and it's worth it. The best Aussie and USA wines I tried, were never comparable in quality.

After that I got a glass of 18 year old Springbank. In terms of whisky, I never even touch Bourbon. I can appreciate a Fool-Proof, though. I have had marvelous imported Rhums, Brandies, but never noticed anything worthy coming from the US. It must be because as you say you don't export your stuff.

With regard to Grappa, the funny part is that some of the best come from France, even though the product is Italian in origin.

Next time you come to Italy, or if I finally decide to visit the States, we'll exchange our alcoholic cultures. I doubt I'll have time before before 2008, but who knows!

Ummon
Dec 8, 2004, @ 09:47 PM
Have any of you had your livers checked recently?

Don't be silly, my alcohol-dehydrogenase has sabre teeth and seven inch long nails. :rofl:

LardGibs
Dec 8, 2004, @ 11:59 PM
Liver- check :D


Onions, two!

DrunkenUno
Dec 9, 2004, @ 12:16 AM
[QUOTE=MVB]My favorite liquor of all time is high-quality tequila (not that Cuervo bullshi), and you can't get it in Europek, which makes me sad for all ya'll living off shite like Vodka (all Vodka is tasteless shite, as is most clear liquor).
QUOTE]

Mmm, Cuervo.

MVB, you've obviously never had $11 handles of Vodka. Tasteless? I wish. Mmm, watered down rubbing alcohol.

MVB
Dec 9, 2004, @ 12:35 AM
Drunk, I have, many a-time. The problem is I don't qualify "watered-down rubbing alcohol" as a taste.

When you finally stop being a bitch and come out drinking with me, I will introduce you to serious tequila.

Ummon, my main point was the best American wines ARE European wines, as are Chilean wines and any other wine, because Europe is where it comes from ...well, I suppose Greek or further back if you really look at history, but the modern drink we call wine. I'd love to hear your differences besides the vintner and process involved, and if you mean the quality of the grape, well ... American soil in SOME places is vastly superior to Italian soil, and again -- simply requires appropriate use, which does exist here.

That being said, my older brother is on the bottom of this page
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=AES
You can see how much he made last year there. Not "ridiculous," but a fair bit indeed.

He routinely flies to Europe, South America and Japan. He has tried multi-thousand dollar bottles of wine (often complimentary, for his company is globally respected to a very high degree) in most of these places, and he has been a wine connoisseur since college ... in fact, he worked at a Vineyard to get through his undergraduate studies (we have one 30 minutes from where I am at UVA, which is where he went for undergraduate ... Prince Michel Vineyards). It is his opinion that the best wine on Earth comes from Chile, and that is an opinion I would be hard-pressed to disagree with. His next choice is one specific wine that comes from California, whose name I can't remeber (sounded Italian), and after that he is generally a big fan of wines from France and Italy. No offense to any here, but I know no one personally whose opinion I value more on the more or less inconsequential subject of what "good wine" really is. Food for thought.

00025
Dec 10, 2004, @ 06:15 PM
Sapporo

allied56
Dec 10, 2004, @ 06:24 PM
...I was giving advice to a 16 year old kid who doesn't drink and needed a way to get alcohol.

I wish it only took that little to get me drunk... would save a lot of money.

And LOL if you are boasting about drinking a 24 with 4 people.

PS... we won a case race last friday... 3 of us killed a case in 42 minutes.

Oh and also... I think you underestimate the getting-fucked-upness of a bottle of MadDog. That shit got me through my early years of drinking... cheap wine=teh pwn.

my drinking cabability is good, one of the best out of my circle of friends, usally its 2/3 24 crates of budweiser every weekend day if i can afford it, and hey im only 15

Ummon
Dec 10, 2004, @ 06:38 PM
I bow to his superior knowledge then. :oohoo:

laserflip
Dec 11, 2004, @ 06:34 AM
Drunk, I have, many a-time. The problem is I don't qualify "watered-down rubbing alcohol" as a taste.

When you finally stop being a bitch and come out drinking with me, I will introduce you to serious tequila.

Ummon, my main point was the best American wines ARE European wines, as are Chilean wines and any other wine, because Europe is where it comes from ...well, I suppose Greek or further back if you really look at history, but the modern drink we call wine. I'd love to hear your differences besides the vintner and process involved, and if you mean the quality of the grape, well ... American soil in SOME places is vastly superior to Italian soil, and again -- simply requires appropriate use, which does exist here.

That being said, my older brother is on the bottom of this page
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=AES
You can see how much he made last year there. Not "ridiculous," but a fair bit indeed.

He routinely flies to Europe, South America and Japan. He has tried multi-thousand dollar bottles of wine (often complimentary, for his company is globally respected to a very high degree) in most of these places, and he has been a wine connoisseur since college ... in fact, he worked at a Vineyard to get through his undergraduate studies (we have one 30 minutes from where I am at UVA, which is where he went for undergraduate ... Prince Michel Vineyards). It is his opinion that the best wine on Earth comes from Chile, and that is an opinion I would be hard-pressed to disagree with. His next choice is one specific wine bla bla bla im a narcissistic bastard, bla bla bla, my family are billionaires and fuck hot porn starts and kick bruce lee's ass and own the new england patriots and eat gold-plated hamburgers bla bla bla.

noone cares what ur sister does for a living. this thread is about beer. killian's irish red, all the way. you all dont have good tastes. but, of course, i woudl go for the cheapest, but killians if i had my way. take me drinking with you if you DO decide to go...ill pick out some of my favorites at teh liquor store (and no, i wont say SoCo) and you will probably be suprised at some of the good-tasting stuff out there that you probably have never heard of. p.s. they have beet magazines that spend pages critiquing this shit, and beer festivals, contests, etc...go look it up.

p.p.s., check out some crap called Presidente: Hail to el Heffe! good stuffz!

Tigre
Dec 11, 2004, @ 07:02 AM
Best beer I have ever tasted came out my fathers root cellar in Connecticut. We made 25 gallons in a huge earthen crock once a year. We bottled it in plain brown bottles and it took us a good ten hours straight to cap those damn things. When the beer "settled" it was heaven. Rich and smooth as silk! Made Hard Cider too! They found me when I was six years old hiding in the root cellar chuggin' the cider down! I was little drunken fool!

:drink: :toast:

DivinerSage
Dec 11, 2004, @ 10:04 PM
Did I see someone say something about sophisticated euro drinkers!?!?!

ok Sophisticated Drinker is an oxymoron.

BUT I will name the worst beers I know Milwakees Best, Natural Light (my friend calls a 24 pack "having a case of the nasties"),

worst 40-oz goes to either a)Colt 45 [ive heard its because im white that i dont like it] b)Steel Reserves [1/2 a bottle buzzes the shit out of me and for the life of me I dont know how] c)Country Gentlemen [huge ass can with a huge mouth and shitty tab to pop]

Worst Liquors

Tequila - Montezuma, Azteca, Torado
Whiskey - Wild Turkey, Kentucky Delux
Vodka - Popov [in the new squeeze sports bottle]
Rum - ANYTHING with bananas in it


ALSO honorable mentions for terrible liquors - Irish Cream, Amaretto, and the all time worst vomiting was Midori honeydew melon flavor YECHK!!!


But my favorite beer would have to be a local brew but it is actually kinda big I saw it in DC when I went in colorado and washington its Called Shiner, Shiner Bock, and Shiner Blonde they are all good brewed in Shiner Texas.

Favorite Liquors - Grey Goose and Finlandia Vodka, Crown Royal whiskey, Tarantual [not really a tequila in my book though], Cuervo 1800, and the all might Mezcal tequila. and candied I like Goldschlagger, Southern Comfort, Aftershock, Hotdamn......

BUT I had to put a couple drinks at the bottom for honorable mentions for making me superman and an asswhooping machine and that would be Jagermeister and and Cabo Wabo.

ALSO Drunk have you ever had the unfortunate opportunity to drink Thunderbird its exactly like MadDog 20/20 but ranker, more repugnant, and cheeper.

In all honesty I dont like to drink beer 1) because I hate to piss every 3 mins Its a strain to have to haul out my massive hose every time a beer is downed ;) I refer to beer as "Sparkling Faeiry Water" and it makes one sprinkle faeiry dust everywhere. And I dont like beers ability to make certain chicks look COMPLETELY different after ive downed about 10. I fear what I may stick it in under the influence.

Blacksand
Dec 12, 2004, @ 10:00 PM
Beer! One of my favorite subjects.

Divvy, befoul not the name of the Beast, Milwakees Best that is. It goes down smooth, cheap as all hell.. the only problem is that it does indeed provide you with NASTY aftereffects in the morning.

My favorite beers are in no particular order ..

Cheap -
PBR!
Beast
Rolling Rock
Yuengling!

More expensive -
Newcastle. - I love, LOVE this beer.
Guiness
Red Stripe

Liqour - I tend to stay with Capt. Morgan Spiced Rum here, as I get older I find I can't handle the cheap bourbon like I used to.
But I still love Jim Beam and Evan Williams. Fuck Jack.
I'll suck tequila all damn night, and it doesn't make me mean.
Vodka - I love Grey Goose, and there is a brand by name of Thor's Hammer I'm partial to, but I don't drink vodka all that often because I tend to black out and get mean. Not good. In reality, the only clear liqour I like is Golden Grain/Everclear.

l_lruk-l-lai
Dec 12, 2004, @ 10:20 PM
europe beer OWN hahaha

DrunkenUno
Dec 12, 2004, @ 11:32 PM
Beer! One of my favorite subjects.

Divvy, befoul not the name of the Beast, Milwakees Best that is. It goes down smooth, cheap as all hell.. the only problem is that it does indeed provide you with NASTY aftereffects in the morning.

My favorite beers are in no particular order ..

Cheap -
PBR!
Beast
Rolling Rock
Yuengling!

More expensive -
Newcastle. - I love, LOVE this beer.
Guiness
Red Stripe

Liqour - I tend to stay with Capt. Morgan Spiced Rum here, as I get older I find I can't handle the cheap bourbon like I used to.
But I still love Jim Beam and Evan Williams. Fuck Jack.
I'll suck tequila all damn night, and it doesn't make me mean.
Vodka - I love Grey Goose, and there is a brand by name of Thor's Hammer I'm partial to, but I don't drink vodka all that often because I tend to black out and get mean. Not good. In reality, the only clear liqour I like is Golden Grain/Everclear.

You=Me.

I love all your cheap beers. I love Jim Beam over Jack. I LOVE Grey Goose.

But I HATE Capt Morgans... bad experience. Puking up your stomach lining is never a good thing.

Tigre
Dec 13, 2004, @ 02:37 AM
A good aged Tequila is the nectar of the gods!!!!!!

Some of the best are aged just like cognac and taste much better...no training wheels needed. :loco:

Blazej
Dec 13, 2004, @ 11:35 AM
European beer rules!!!!!!. Dont forget that Budweiser is from Czech Rep. made in US and Guiness is from Ireland or GB.

My Favourite beers are ŻYWIEC, WARKA.