World of Warcraft?

[MVB]

Does anyone have this game?

I didn't expect much, but I watched some of it yesterday and it seems like a pretty darned good game.

I like the fact that the world is ginormous, and I especially like the fact that once people get to much higher levels, there'll be constant mass-player war going on between the two big islands.

If several TLSC are playing it, I would not be averse to actually getting, paying for this game and forming a guild in it and playing together, but ONLY if there area few of you who would do the same.

[G6killer]

NOpe i dont do pay to play, u can wait for guildwars dude. That game is especially build for clan/guild warfare and looks just as good as warcraft with no monthly fee :)

[MVB]

Well, having seen/played both, guildwars *looks* crappier and *is* crappier and less deep than Warcraft. That's just "how it is." If no TLSC are going to play WoW, I won't either, but I would *rather* play WoW if a bunch of TLSC are going to play it as well, because it's just a lot better than guildwars. No 2 ways about it.

[Larsson7]

I agree that it looks stunning.

I also thought Eve looked stunning - and it is.

I just dont have the time with my job to dedicate time to playing any game every single night so I would have to pass :(

[Elysium]

i have played all warcraft games, even the first one. and i totally love them. i am also a huge fun of MMORPG's which WoW is. i think it depents on how high the montly fee is. which i still don't know.

[MVB]

14.99 :-/

[MVB]

12.99/month if you pay for 6 months at once

[Marb]

So basically you pay 4 times the normal price..
12 times 13$..+whatever the game costs..(Probably about 60$)..

[Elysium]

gah thats not worth it in my eye's.

[P$Ü(||0]

thats waay too expensive, the game is very cool but i dont think there will be a great community playing it

[MVB]

There is a huge community playing it.

My only problem is, after seeing World of Warcraft firsthand, the release version ... Guildwars sucks.

[ToxicGene]

gah thats not worth it in my eye's.

Every MMORPG costs that much. (all mmorpgs since december 2003)

[Elysium]

not really, ive been playing a mmorpg since 2002 and i only pay $5 a month for it. so 12,99 0r 14,99 is a huge difference, even tho its better looking.

[MVB]

Elysium, it is likely a significantly better game.

The world is absolutely HUGE, with plans to make it larger. My friend had spent about 20 game hours simply exploring, and had only been to approximately 5% of the "Good" island. There are a quoted "several thousand hours" of solo and group quest play involved, and that is not even beginning to count the pvp and inter-island warfare options present in the game.

The price is a bit much, but think of what that is from your monthly expenses. I could never stand spending that much monthly on games like Shattered Galaxy or EVE, but this game is freakin' awesome, hands down. If you can't afford it for some reason, that's one thing. If it is affordably, this game is entirely worth it. The sheer depth, quality of character development, fighting styles, and extensive world and quest options make it -- IMO -- quite worth it.

[/<yle]

Lama is playing it from the GC2 division, and so is Mr. T (their a brother duo)

[DrunkenUno]

MVB, it sucks

[DrunkenUno]

read the WoW forums.

First page, complaining how PVP is completely worthless because dead enemies dont drop any of their items, hence there is no risk in PVP, hence PVP=teh gay.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-pvp&t=4337&p=1&tmp=1#post4337

[Elysium]

well 14,99 is half of the cash i get from my folks a month.. im to lazy to work B)

[MVB]

Drunk, what I don't ilke about guildwars is that the engine itself blows donkey chunks, and the fighting style is ridiculously moronic.

I'm not all about losing my items, either.

Guildwars, compared to WoW, from what I've seen of both (which has been about an even amount) ... sucks.

[MVB]

Additionally, if it becomes/is a genuine problem, WoW will fix it. Guildwars ... not so much, thanks to no monthly fee.

I like the no monthly fee aspect of Guildwars, but I don't want to buy yet another 50 dollar game that sucks.

Dawn of War has been disappointing, although I still enjoy it and play it actively and regularly, but the patches are rare and slow ... why? $$$

Guildwars may proclaim "oh noz that won't be a problem," but just watch.

On the other hand, I may get guildwars as well, but I'm definitely giving WoW a shot.



IN regards to the game, an important note made by some of the more intelligent people in that thread is that once the levels start getting over 20, there are tons of areas of the world that are hotly contested, with the potential for massive wars with a LOT of players vs a LOT of players. If every dead person dropped loot, things would get insane in a big hurry, with the game becoming a gankfest.


ALSO, one thing I noticed yesterday Drunk actually playing the game is that going back to your corpse fucking sucks. It alone is an enormous penalty for dying. When you die, if you are far away, you have to travel a potentially long distance on foot to get back to your corpse, or you take penalties to all of your equipment for auto-resurrecting.


ON an even-handed note, it would be nice if you gained a fixed scale reward for killing another player, based on his level, OR experience (which you may get, dunno), but where the player who died didn't lose anything necessarily. Part of the reason for this is that if you want, you can go right over to the other nations' city, sneak past the guards or whatever is in your way, and go through chopping the heads off unsuspecting individuals, IN their city. If you could steal peoples' shit this way, it would pretty much suck because you could just go sneak up on people ... there would have to be pvp zones, which there aren't .... the whole world of warcraft is at war.

That being said, from what I gather Blizzard is working on some kind of benefit for pvp system without fucking up their goal of having a game that is not built entirely around pvp (which I appreciate) ... the thousands of hours of coop questing should be enough to keep things phenomenally interesting, and the leveling/skillbuilding system is pretty cool as well.

[MVB]

Here you go, this should solve the problem, perhaps.

From the WoW Manual ...

You get honor and dishonor points from PvP

ALSO,
and I quote
"In addition to an honor score, your PvP successes will also enable you to acquire a high rank and title, earn special reward items, and gain access to special buildings and merchants. You'll also gain the favor of your faction's leadership, and earn other rewards that are u navailable to players who refrain from PvP play."


You also apparently lose EXP if you die, but that is unconfirmed, and I wouldn't know well enough to argue it.

This isn't really a "defend WoW" thread, though. I was just asking who is going to play it.

[ToxicGene]

WoW is just too boring for me. It's just grinding and grinding over same monsters just with different names.

I'm waiting for Wish beta which now starts in January. (it was supposed to start 1st december but they moved it) It will have many more unique monsters and 1 world for everyone, hence the UMMORPG :-).

[Elysium]

its also a shame that you can't play it offline, like diablo. but then again the world is rather large for just 1 person. :|

[MVB]

My only big problem with it is that it's a MMORPG, which means you have to play it online. We'll see how it goes; I picked up a copy for 46.99 from the local game store, and it comes with one free month of play. If at the end of that month it sucks horribly, I could always just not pay for another.

[Elysium]

and if you decide not 2 you have a game you bought and after that you can never play it again without paying.. :boohoo:

[Marb]

Don't suppose it came with a warranty.

[MVB]

The intro omgwtfpwns. Doesn't mean anything, but I just about popped 8 boners.

[McFodder]

I played Everquest for...well, going on 5 years now, though a lot less lately. Also played Horizons for 6 months or so. Both of those are pay to play, but I find it very easy to justify.

The monthly cost is less than a movie ticket + popcorn + coke. For that price, I can log on, be pretty much guaranteed there will be people to play with, and even if there's not, find something to do solo.

Your average movie lasts maybe 2 and a half hours. It's very easy to entertain yourself for that long in a MMORPG.

[laserflip]

fuck WoW...its looks sounds and IS gay. i will not pay a dime for it. i'll wait for guild wars thank you very much

[ToxicGene]

fuck WoW...its looks sounds and IS gay. i will not pay a dime for it. i'll wait for guild wars thank you very much

Guild Wars = teh Sux :jig:
Didn't you sign up for Wish beta?

[MVB]

Well, I played WoW a fair bit today, and it is -- so far -- excellent.

[laserflip]

i wont wait for guild wars. i will play SG and DoW! but have fun with WoW mvb, i wuold play it with you now that we talked about it, but i just dont have the money...real life shit beckons for my cash, and i cant spare the change ATM to play that kinda game...im sure you understand.

[Quietus]

I have WoW, I play on the Hellscream server.

Currently lvl 30...

The PvP is actually very fun, sure there is no looting, but without looting it allows more wary players to engage, and as a result you have massive battles. As a result of your PvP you are rewarded points which can turn into items/titles/etc.

Another aspect of PvP which makes it fun to people is the griefing side. Any raid on a town (or other hotspot) will effectively shut it down for hours and force people into conflict over that area. I've participated in some battles on fortresses that was truly epic. Or you can roll up to a dungeon/cave/wherever and nuke the shit out of some poor night elf while hes leveling.

Also it's the first mmo with quests I actually enjoy.

The game is fairly balanced and bug free, with a few minor exceptions.

Far superior in almost every aspect to Guild Wars, aside from the whole monthly fee thing.

[MVB]

Wull damn; I was hopin' we could get together (all TLSC int he game) and guild up and what-not, and I am in Dalaron server or something. Can you switch servers with your character, or is he/she permanently stuck in one server once you go there?

-- MV"Clueless about this still"B

[DrunkenUno]

The whole idea of there being no penalty for dying, and hence no real reward for killing an enemy, is entirely carebearish.

Its insane that even with the amount that people complain in Eve about it being carebearish, its really 100x more hardcore than any other mmo game right now.

I guess I can understand there being no looting, as most games work on a risk/reward system, and there is apparently no risk in WoW. For me, no risk=no thrill, and no thrill=no fun. In Eve my heart POUNDS before every battle, because i know theres a chance i might lose my ship. And Victory is that much sweeter because you know you accomplished something, you hurt your enemy not by making him "have a bitch of a time running back to his body" or whatever, you effectively have eliminated him until he gets a new ship. And theres something amazing about looting an enemy and then in the next battle using his equiptment against him or his allies.

Combined with the fact that in experience based leveling games like WoW there will always be powergamers 30+ levels ahead of you, and you are bascially worthless as a noob in fights, means Eve is the way to go. Pity you got WoW and not Eve, as even a noob can be effective in a fleet battle.

[MVB]

Drunk, it's clear you don't know anything about WoW, and you've read only one side of some of the things on the WoW forums.

There are enormous rewards for PvP, so stop saying there aren't; you should know this. The risks are not as high. HOWEVER, as Quietus said, you can effectively eliminate an opposing side's cities by sieging them/taking them out of operation. You can totally uberfuck the leveling process of others, hell you can even slaughter their merchants, smiths and shit if they don't stop you.

In WoW, even lower level players can make a difference; they made an exceptional point of having less of a disparity between levels.

Also, there is a level cap at 60. So, after a point, there will never be powergamers 30+ levels ahead of you. Also, just earlier, I teamed up with a group of other level 10's like me, and we rampaged through areas where level 30s were dying solo.

Anyway, the true pity is that you've judged a game you've never even tried.

[DrunkenUno]

Drunk, it's clear you don't know anything about WoW,you've read only one side of some of the things on the WoW forums.

I guess I can understand there being no looting, as most games work on a risk/reward system, and there is apparently no risk in WoW.

There are enormous rewards for PvP, so stop saying there aren't; you should know this. The risks are not as high.

Well thanks for agreeing with me... and "rewards" for me are not just loot (which WoW doesnt have anyways so i dont know what you are arguing) but as I said in my post, the "thrill" of the risk involved. Without any risk, theres no thrill, and no thrill=no "reward".

Anyway, the true pity is that you've judged a game you've never even tried.

I played beta for about an hour and then uninstalled.

[Quietus]

Sure your not going to have risk on the same level as in eve, but that can be viewed as a good thing, because like I said before you get more people participating. I used to play Eve a lot, and quite a few people didn't involve themselves in PvP because they didn't like that aspect of it (losing all their shit).

Lower levels can have an effect vs higher levels, but you can't expect an equal number of newbies to take down an equal number of higher levels, unless they are exceptionally skilled. That same rule applies to eve as well. Sure there isn't a defined leveling system, but someone with 10 million skill points has a very distinct advantage over someone with 1 million.

And if your looking for the hardcore high risk pvp environment, you should have looked into old school uo servers, not eve. Search google for In Por Ylem, its a fantastic old school uo server (free as well). You lose everything on death, newbies can be effective, no insurance, etc. I've played the high risk thing in UO, AC (Darktide), Eve, and several others, and yes it has its own flavor of fun. WoW has it's own form of fun which is just as fun, but superior in my opinion due to the very large amount of people participating in pvp, compared to those same games I just mentioned.

People talk about having massive fleet battles in Eve, but when was the last time you saw hundreds and hundreds of ships engaged in combat? I only saw it a handful of times when I played, in WoW I can see it daily (and here its lag free).

[Critta]

If you fancy a chuckle, some members of FC (me included) are playing on the East coast "Skullcrusher" server.

WoW is amazing, it seems to have stolen my life for the past 2 weeks! Just can't wait for Blizzard to get round to sorting the PvP system out. As it stands I'm more than happy just to kill people for the fun of it :D

Go on, you know you want an alliance character on Skullcrusher :)

[MVB]

Can you move servers with active characters? It seems to imply that you can.

I'm curious because, it would be nice if a bunch of us who know each other all got together someplace, formed a guild, etc.

BTW, I take back some of what I said about the warrior; now that mine is leveling, and has defensive stance, etc. etc. etc., they are quite potent in "balanced" when they're on their own, and excellent as tanks when in a group, esp. with mages.

[Critta]

I don't think you can unfortunately. I think I've also got an alliance character on one of the pacific servers... Destromath or something like that, but it's only lvl6 - Skullcrusher went down for a few hours one evening!

Anyways, Skullcrusher is where it's at! Some of the PvP wars over the past couple of days have been excellent :) Full on 50-100 person raids in contested towns, we've been pounding the hell out of all the NE towns in Ashenvale for a while now :D

[MVB]

Well, maybe we can all end up in the same server, then, eventually. I think I'll that least master the game with my hero in Dalaron East Coast ... get the swing of things, enjoy PvE campaign (which is enormous, I mean holy hell the world is freaking huge. Each little territory is easily as large as a stand-alone RPG in and of itself).

[Critta]

Fair enough... play through the PvE campaign first to enjoy all the quests. With the speed of levelling in WoW it shouldn't make much difference if someone joins a sever a little later :D

What side you playing on Dalaron? Hoarde or Alliance?

[Quietus]

I just got Beserker Stance last night.

Was a fun quest, I had to take on A dozen challengers, and then the lvl 35 champion in this gladiator pit thing.

There is no real difference between pvp and pve servers though, still massive raids all the time with nearly everyone participating anyway (plus the second you attack an NPC in a town your flagged for every non pvp guy to attack).

[Critta]

Yeah there is :D

You learn to be a LOT more careful in the contested zones when playing PvP.. the quests in those areas actually become a lot harder, and much more fun :D

Playing a hunter, enjoying myself muchly.

[Quietus]

Contested zones I /pvp everyone there anyway lol.

Mock them into flagging, my /chicken has a 100% success rate so far.

Or follow them around till they attack a friendly NPC, which is also easy in most zones (and they might not realize they are friendly at first).

Or kill their friendly NPCs so they can't sell/repair shit.

But yea a pvp server probably has more small encounters like that on quests and stuff... but your going to have the large scale raids on any server.

[Critta]

I just don't understand why anyone would want to play PvE apart from to learn the game. It's just so.... boring!

[MVB]

I disagree, only because I find the sp campaign to be really long and gratification-oriented. New levels and new target quests and quest items are all "just perfect" for improvement, giving me the feel of a very well-done game.

That being said, I'm eager to eventually get to PvP, but I really want to get to a very high level first ... I love, in most RPG, the feel of getting new weapons and armor.

And, like Quietus said, there's not a *big* difference between the pve and pvp servers as far as encountering pvp options is concerned.

Do you have any suggestions for rapid leveling locations for a human warrior in the stormwind sector of the map? (Or elsewhere that's within reach by tram or something) .... I ask because I'm not leveling *all* that fast for my tastes, and I really don't know. I'm level 13 atm.

[Critta]

Dunno the Human areas at all I'm afraid. My advice:

Find an area where the mobs are your level & 1 above.
Find as many quests as possible for this area.
Do quests.
Level Up.
Rinse and repeat.

Got from 17-20 in 1 night last week using just this method :)

[Critta]

As far as no difference between PvE & PvP.

Have you ever feared for your life doing quests in contested territory? Do you think just because you are playing on a PvP server that you completely ignore the storyline?

IMO it add's to the storyline when you have to battle with the Alliance in order to get your quests done. It just doesn't quite feel like Warcraft when you meet 2 humans running down the road, you all stop and wave at each other for a bit then everyone runs off their own seperate ways.

I'd much prefer to see 2 humans running down the road towards me and either think, "ha, gotcha!" or "OMFG where can I hide, RUUUUUUUUNNNNNNN!" , it adds to the atmosphere of the game considerably :)

*mutters something quietly under his breath about bloody carebears :P *

[Captain Salazar Snowberry]

I am going to do them buyings of this game. Sounds fun, I'll get it this week or weekend.

[MVB]

Come to the Doloran server, and find me there. My character name is MVB, add me to your buddy list.

If you are any class that can use mail, in the Alliance, I'll make you a full set of armor and weapons to start off with :-) ... as I'm becoming quite the amazding smith.

[MVB]

Jesus, let me know if you are going to go to Dalaran server as per request, and what class you're planning on being, and I'll start stashing up some equipment to twink you out with at start (if you want it).

[LardGibs]

I decided to get this to mess around with over the holidays. Can you recommend a link for a n00b to figure out how/where to go server/realmwise, etc., I never did a mmorpg. Will pick up on my way home Thursday.


LG

-edit- nev4r mind found it. so, Dalaran PvE, EST
hunter or priest?

[MVB]

If it were me, I'd go hunter, only because I think guns are hot as shit. Plus hunters can use mail, so I can twink you out pretty good at start, and you can use pets.

A priest would be more useful for group pve, but a hunter would be significantly more useful for times where you have to solo

The game is amazing, you will <3 it, and it will be good to have you and GI on there with me. I've built up a few buddies in the server as is; with any luck we can get a guild together and start building up a cache of cash for everyone to pool from.

[Quietus]

True about that encounter thing Critta, but just as a side note try running from ANYONE as a warrior lol.

They removed the time zones from the game now... so just pick a server that has people you want to play with, I recommend Hellscream so you can play with me. =)

Also, any job can solo effectively, including the warrior.

And a priest isn't locked into healing, if you go the shadow priest path you get access to the most powerful dots in the game.

Also, hunters are good ranged dps, with lots of useful abilities for solo, pvp, and parties. They get a pet too, and you tame/train them with abilities you learn from other monsters.

[MVB]

Quietus knows the game better than I do, so listen to him.

He's still nowhere near as cool as me, though.

OH, and don't listen to him about the server. Come to Dalaran and game w/ the MVBster.

[LardGibs]

after sifting through some forums, some of this mmorpg/WoW lingo is confusing.

I know tanking from NwN, but some of these:

pull
aggro
mob (quest monster I assume)

dots?
dps?
btw don't bank on the hunter mail MVB, I read level 40 with training :|

so I think it'll be a hunter, with fishing/skinning/cooking/herbalism etc. only thing that would dissuade me from that is if there is truly a shortage of priests/healing.

I'm pretty stoked, I remember how cool Icewind Dale was. This will be like Icewind Dale where all your dungeon party characters are n00bs.

[MVB]

The game is hot. I will start saving up leather and weapons and what-not. I'll even research a little to see what KINDS of things a hunter can use. When you get on, I'll mail 'em to you.


Pull = use a ranged weapon or spell to pull individual monsters off a mob so that you don't get owned ... unlike some games, and partially due to the fact that you can't rapid-consume potions, 3 or 4 level 10 monsters will kill even most level 14 or 15 fully-armored heroes. So you can't go barging into MOBS ... which answers that question; mobs are large bunches of baddies.

DPS = damage per second; different weapons swing or reload at different speeds, and you quickly learn that dps is more important than damage range in most circumstances; I had a two-handed sword for a while that was my primary weapon and did something like 30-40 damage per swing, but it had a slow cooldown of course. I picked up a mace that does only 18-26. The two-handed sword did 8.3 dps, the mace does 9.6 dps, and lets me use my big arsed shield as well.

Dots, I'm not sure; guess I'm too n00b for that one. Aggro is the amount of aggression you generate with monsters, as well as how aggressive they are. Warriors generate a lot of aggro, so monsters are very likely to attack a warrior in a party. Priests do not generate as much aggro. Hunters generate some, but not as much as rogues and warriors. Mages generate lots of aggro if they use aggressive spells, almost no aggro if they use buffs and stuff. Monsters with higher aggro have wider areas of reaction, and so you have to give them wider births when running to keep them from coming after you.


The fact that you're being a hunter is, I think, fine. I've had my easiest fighting successes with another warrior or two at my side to disperse the aggro of big mobs if we accidentally trip some up. Me and this guy RichardC or something often gang up and we both are rifle-trained. We take potshots to draw one or two creatures at a time off mobs, then shoulder our muskets and kill things pretty quick in close combat. Hunters are supposed to have some pretty awesome ranged talents, but you'll need to have a warrior with defensive stance capabilities with you on tougher levels (I have that) to draw the attention of nastier monsters so you can keep firing your rifle/bow/whatever.

[Sir Rogers]

hey MVB, just one thing ....

I don't think dat WoW is that great, the graphic looks cool and all dat shit, but i playd a lot of MMORPGS, and I'm now playin Anarchy Online and I will stay with it ...

It's the greatest MMORPG game ive ever seen ...
You can do so much, and its still some kinda special, not like WoW where u can do some thing with mnany things, its not specified ...

I think ya should give AO a try (www.anarchy-online.com)
on beggining it's perhaps a lil bit difficzult 2 get into it, cuz theres so many ...

but if u got its its ownage ...
u get mass pvp more then u wanna (guildwarz, raids)
u can build up a city and fight tower spots

its very cool game. give it a try b4 u buy a half-beta game, just realeased. I couldnt play WoW, cuz i like PvP, only killing MOBS is gettinm bored ... and i need 2 proov my strength =D

[MVB]

WoW has enormous, massive PvP, with hundreds of people battling each other at once in the same area. What the hell? You obviously know nothing about WoW, it's PvP, or anything else.

But enjoy AO anyway.

[P$Ü(||0]

my fear is that the wow server suck like all other blizzard servers do.

[MVB]

I've been playing it fairly frequently for the past few days; it is steady and reliable, and they give you warning before server maintenance, which has been regular so as to keep things functioning well.

[MVB]

Lard, another random thing; you may want to consider engineering for your hunter; reason is, engineers can create scopes and ammo, which directly buff you if you are a gun-user, and they also can create a variety of explosives and what-not, which may be effective both for traps and for handling things that get past your gun quickly. Not that I really know, since I've never been a hunter, but it's my next class choice. Plus, of course, you can tame melee-oriented beasts to fight for you.

[Quietus]

The WoW servers only big problem is that they had loot lag (an error in their database server) that would cause you to lag for 5, 10, even 20 minutes while looting one item while everything around you is unaffected. This has been cleared up though.

DOT = Damage Over Time, effects such as bleeding, some curses, any spell or effect that causes damage over a period of time rather than a mass all at once.

Lard: You can only have 2 profession skills (Mining, Herbalism, Skinning, Leatherworking, Blacksmithing, Alchemy, Enchanting, Tailoring, Engineering) and as many secondary skills as you want (Cooking, Fishing, First Aid). I highly recommend First Aid for any job, as right now I can heal myself for 1000+ hp, mana free (the only condition is the heal doesn't work while your being struck). So if the tank loses aggro, and you take a few hits before he regains it, you can use a bandage to heal up, rather than spend mana.

As for your Profession skills, I too recommend Mining/Engineering. You get more traps to compliment the traps you already have, Area of Effect bombs/grenades, Net Guns, Rocket Boots, Explosive Sheep, Parachutes, Goblin Jumper Cables (to bring people back to life), and many many more things. Plus you can make your own Guns, Scopes, and superior ammunition (which cannot be bought in stores). Hunters are the kings of nonmagical ranged combat, and I recommend guns, as they have the highest dps. :)

You can tame various pets (can have more pets as you gain in level) and crosstrain them abilities to fit your needs. If you solo a lot, you can use a defensive pet, such as a massive turtle, and train it with abilities to gain aggro similar to a defensive warrior. Or a raptor, scorpion, whatever you want pretty much. While your able to sit back and Fire away. I also recommend getting Dual Wield at 20, since you won't have access to any good shields.

And yes, Hunters get Mail at 40.

Sir Rogers: WoW in beta was more stable than nearly every MMO on launch (and months after), AO sucked very very badly for months when it was first released, and I've heard many more negative reports about what the latest expansions/patches have brought. But whatever floats your boat. :thumbup

On a side note, I didn't start out being such a supporter of WoW, I was completely convinced it would suck. I didn't change my tune until actually trying it first hand in open beta

[MVB]

Lard, and Jesus, make sure you go ALLIANCE, and NOT horde, if you go to Dalaran. Reason being: I'm alliance there, as is the buddy group I've been building up, and you can't even SPEAK to Horde players.

I'm currently fighting in the Dwarven realms of Ironforge and Loch Modan, but I can certainly make my way back to the Human realms of the Elwyn forest and the Westfall to help ya'll out/twink you out/group with you/etc.

[Sir Rogers]

MVB i would b glad 2 try WoW, could b cool 2 make an org, as TLSC team =D

can u gimme your msn-3m@il plz ??
so i can contact ya on weekend ...

[MVB]

msn =

mikevbrandt@hotmail.com

I'm in the Dalaran East coast server, Alliance, username MVB

[Sir Rogers]

hmmm MVB, i need 2 buy the game 2 try it out ???
there is no 7 or 14days trial-version ???? o.O

[MVB]

Nope, unfortunately. The world of warcraft, meaning the gaming world it is built in, is so huge that it requires 4 CDs and 4 gigabytes of hard drive space.

So ... it's not a feasible trial download.

[Quietus]

You can give people 10 day trials... it comes with your purchase of the game I believe. Still a huge download though.

[MVB]

How many 10-day trials can you give out? I'm all down with doing that.

[DrunkenUno]

How many 10-day trials can you give out? I'm all down with doing that.

Gimme a 10 day and i'll check it out.

[Sir Rogers]

omg drunken u fuckin bitch, i was first ...

MVB, could ya gimme a 10days trial plz ?

so i'll dl da game and check it out dis weekend ;)

[Quietus]

I dunno, I read the manual like twice while it was taking 2 hours to install. I'll find it again tomorrow.

[Lama Master]

ummm well i have it as well so im more than happy to give a free 1- day trial.

Im also a hunter so if u have ANY questions on hunters, im your man. They are awesome rangers (some with bows, some guns) and when they reach lvl 20, they get the duel weild ability (use 2 weapons at once). Im using 2 axes now... they are fast and hit hard (13.5 dps and 11.2 dps). The only bad thing about duel weild is that some 1H axes are 'Main Hand' which means you HAVE to have them in your right hand, others are 'One Handed' you can use them in either hand but they usualy arnt as good (thats why there is a big difference in my dps :D). If your finding it hard to kill creeps with just a bow and dagger (before lvl 10 when you get your pet) then i sugest you make your way to a weapon master for training in 1H axe, 2H axe, 1H sword, 2H sword, 1H mace, 2H mace, staff, polearm etc. If you dont know what pet to get, there is an online guide somewhere on the WoW hope page; www.worldofwarcraft.com

I hope that helps alot ;)

P.S. my server is malagos, T is there too we are Ullwind (me, lvl 20 hunter) and Moonsing (T, lvl 28 rouge), T is better cause i was at camp and he finished school before me :(

[MVB]

You bitches, you should have said something, all of you.

Quietus on one server, I'm on Dalaran (and sounds like GI and Lard will go there too), and you two are on another server.

I suggest you all break down and come join us on Dalaran :-)

[Critta]

I still think if you are playing as alliance, you should come party on Skullcrusher ;)

A little PvP never hurt anyone (apart from all those people I've filled full of shot from my gun :) )

[MVB]

Knowing that you can PvP in any server, more or less, I just want a server where all my buddies are together. That and Dalaran never has a qeue .... EVER.

[LardGibs]

Here's what makes sense to me ( going to get it in a few hours as soon as some ugly, ugly math homework (PDEs with separation of variables, and eigenfunction expansions :( ) is done.

Let's all learn how to do it, collect our regrets, and then maybe all meet up with a start over somewhere (ghetto pvp) if we're serious about it. I will go to Dalaran, it's probably the one that would have autopicked anyway.

[Critta]

Knowing that you can PvP in any server, more or less, I just want a server where all my buddies are together. That and Dalaran never has a qeue .... EVER.

Surprisingly I don't often see a queue on Skullcrusher, at least not since the first week after launch.

But then I don't tend to log out much during the course of the evening, so they may be there and I just haven't noticed them.

Oh well, I'll stop hassling you all about it now. Let me know if you are going to come over.

[MVB]

Too right.

See, I've got a rl buddy also who is in YET ANOTHER server.

What sux is you can't shift characters. Maybe I can pm Blizzard and ask for the hell of it, if we can get all our buddies relocated to one server.

[mOle]

OMG LEVEL CAP SUCKS!!! PLAY FFXI!!!

[MVB]

The game truly begins at level 60. You obviously never played a game like Shattered Galaxy, where level cap insures fun at all levels coupled with a lot of great options after 60capping.

[mOle]

i havent.. but for me half the point is to always have some level to look forward to... so i dont think thats a good thing

[MVB]

Well, it always leaves you new things to look forward to -- new items, new rewards, new acclaim, new quests, etc.

You just stop gaining "levels" so if you're a near-sighted person who can't see other gains, then that would be bad. If you can see other gains besides just a "level" then you'll be fine.

[Captain Salazar Snowberry]

Yeah, four gigs is nothing, FFXI is hogging severn and a half right now, I'm not even playing, my account has started hibernating.

Yeah, MVB, I'll go in Daralan, don't worry, I'll most likely be a Dawrven Hunter with a gun in each hand, if possible, I think it would be sweet. I heard someone mention dual weild, but it may be only for melle weapons.

Yeah, I'll try to buy the game either today, or tommorow. But I won't get on much this weekend. Nine page math assignment due Monday.

[mOle]

i think level is a important thing, clearly i can see other gains.. but i think level elvolving is wery important... besides WoW is still new and not full expanded yet.. so time will tell.

im wery happy with FFXI atm, some of my irl friends are playing it.. so ill think ill just stick to it for now..

[Lama Master]

Guys, i still think you should come to my server... theres me and T there and we are both higher levels that most of the others, meaning we will loose alot of work. Its PvE and there is usualy alot of Horde invasions on the Nightelf lands. Become aliance people, Gnome mages are VERY tough... when i was on T's rouge (lvl 28) fighting a gnome mage (lvl29) i won 2/10 fights.

If you guys wont come to my server and i eventualy give in and go to you.. i know im gonna be a Gnome mage lol :D

[Quietus]

You should all come to mine, since I'm almost lvl 36 lol.

Plus you all need to stop being such wusses and join the horde. :D

[MVB]

Well, Lama came to Dalaran :)

You can't dual wield guns, and it seems like we already have a hunter in lard, but I was grouped with 2 hunters and their pets earlier, and they were kickin' ass, so I guess I have no complaints about that.

Wish I had another warrior to share stuff with though (*sad in the pants face*) or a pallie to help with healing.

Quietus, enjoy your horde; maybe one day I'll drop by there and become a Tauren hunter or warrior.

[Weavern]

I assume you are starting a division for WoW? Perhaps I should ask Neon and his group to give you lot a shout. Seems what is left of NvD (or at least those not on active duty which seems to be like 12 members) has begun to advance through WoW. If you are interested in networking I can have him drop you a line.

[MVB]

Well, for the moment we're in Dalaran :)

[MVB]

Although if they are horde they should look up Quietus

[DrunkenUno]

ffs... gimme a trial someone.

[MVB]

Dude, you trash-talked the hell out of the game and have no intention of playing it actively.

I don't even know if I can give trials, as I am waiting on Quietus to confirm that.

[DrunkenUno]

Dude, you trash-talked the hell out of the game and have no intention of playing it actively.

I don't even know if I can give trials, as I am waiting on Quietus to confirm that.

Thats it, I'm taking a dump on your face.

[MVB]

Stop mistaking me for Cartman's mom.

[Quietus]

Btw, was testing out beserker stance... the stance alone adds 8 dps at my level.

Slam (the first attack you get for beserker) seems crappy at first, but once you get the hang of it, you can dish out thousands of damage in mere seconds using this alone.

Beserker rage... fear immunity, enhanced rage generation, free.

Good stuff so far. =)

I also made a Dwarf Paladin on Dalaran, under the name Quietus.

[MVB]

I'm finally getting some good tanking skills, and my love for warrior has returned.

That plus people are actually coming to Dalaran now, so I'm helping them out with cash and equipment, and that just makes me happy in the pants.


It's too bad you're over there, b/c I'd love another competent warrior and/or paladin at my side tanking with me.

But you have good reason to stay at yours (tons of friends + high level).

[LardGibs]

In Dalaran- Level 5 Priest (didn't wanna be a dwarf :P)

kobolds, ph34r me.

[MVB]

Enjoying it so far then?

[LardGibs]

cloth armor and being poor suxeth.


I like it, jumping back in for a few more h.
:agree:

[MVB]

Cloth armor will persistently suck horrible arse.

I'll purchase some nice shit for you at the auction in ironforge when I get back in the game ... when this work is done, that is.

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[Lama Master]

My gnome mage on dolaran is the pwnt now and hes only lvl 10 :D. I absolutly pwned a lvl 12 warrior with him, i wasnt even on half health when he was dead. I played for 16 hours last night (11pm-3pm), mmmm school holidays are gonna be long :D

[Shackled Phoenix]

damn i've never noticed this thread, too lazy to read back very far, so...

Quesela, level 27 druid on the Argent Dawn server, member of The Black Watch guild.

i'd be around 45 with my friends now, but i didn't play for like the first two weeks because the game had major lag/server problems the first couple weeks. Even now there are still some server crashs, and a bit of lag during peaks hours, but that's mostly because people gang banged my server upon retail release.

Love the game, wouldn't mind some tweaks though, and a doing away with the damn nightly server shutdowns at 4 AM EST :( (approx 1 hour for maintanence)

oh, heh. i've got a level 6 human warlock on dalaran named Lilyan. kinda funny I never even paid attention to what server she was on. MVB! you should play, do a human paladin! :D :D :D

[DrunkenUno]

Does ANYONE have collectors edition?

[Quietus]

Warriors usually suck in straight up duels vs any class but rogue and other warriors.

However I've learned a few dirty tricks to absolutely demolish most classes, including priests. :D

[LardGibs]

Word to the Wise:


don't go mountain climbing with MVB, go around. :D

[MVB]

Ques, I DO play often in Dalaran.

MVB is my name there, add me. We'll group up. A guild is in the future works.

Quietus, you should bring those dirty tricks over to Dalaran.

<3

[MVB]

Haha, yeah, I love finding the tallest peaks around, managing to scale them, and then jumping off.

I was with Lard and bested my record with a 450+ damage drop, and the fool jumped off behind me. His level 9 Priest .... well, you can imagine what happened when he managed a 450+ damage drop.

[Quietus]

Highest drop I've survived was 1573, off the zeppelin near Undercity. I might be able to survive the drop at Thousand Needles now though.

[Shackled Phoenix]

god dammit, wtf levels are you guys? and gimme some more names or add me "Lilyan" so i can easier get in touch with you guys. I seriously no longer have time to play catch up with a second WoW char...

[LardGibs]

I, Lardgibs, am level 10 priest. I believe MVB was a level 16 warrior. Haven't met up with anybody else yet but I'll look for Lilyan.

[MVB]

Ques, I'll add Lilyan to my friends list in Dalaran

Add MVB, LardGibs and LamaMaster

Those are the 3 TLSC I know for sure are in Dalaran right now ... I have about 10 other people I've pulled together by partying with them, and we'll have a guild in the near future.

By the way, Lard and I came up with 2 names, everyone pitch in on which sounds best for a TLSC guild.

Knights of the Command
Lone Commanders

Feedback, no new ideas, I think we liked those 2 best :) (unless you have a great one using parts of TLSC in the name ... nothing random and unrelated please)

[Quietus]

We should all reroll on a pure pvp server. =)

The higher I get the more I'm regretting going PvE. The higher I get, the more encounters you have with the opposing sides. Sure the flag can make for larger PvP battles, but I've witnessed more and more lameness stemming from the /pvp flag. I'm guessing it's because of more underhanded people who joined after retail. I'm talking following and such as nonhostile, while your 15 friends show up, just so you can kill 1-2 people. Corpse camping/scouting as nonhostile. And once I hit level 60, theres going to be raids, for the uber item drops, but I'll have to compete with 40 other people. Or PvP, which will have the potential fun reduced, due to the /pvp flag.

Last night I was running along... and I come across this wandering merchant thing.

I run up to kill the vendors and see 4 lvl 20 Gimp Elves shopping peacefully. I proceed to /taunt them with no success. So I then slaughter the vendors, right in front of the Gimp Elves. Still no response. I run off on my quest, and all 4 follow me... when I've just started inside the dungeon their friends arrive to jump me. Its now 6 v 1, but they are all around 20-28, and all melees. I toss on my Corpsemaker battle axe, pop Retaliation, and counterattack each and every one of them for 250+ damage each hit, while I'm cleaving them for an additional 300+ each hit. Was really pretty pathetic to watch lol.

I've participated in numerous PvP raids on Astranaar and surrounding Gimp Elf towns. People are starting to just not care that their vendors have been dead for days.

[KPR[X-303]]

Recently discovered my account got hacked, stupid hackers my shadow priest level 21 IS GONE!!!! :( so im making a new priest and ill join in with a shadow priest on christmas once i have a few game cards to play it

[MVB]

How did your account get hacked? Sorry, but sometimes you say some insane and outrageous things and I'm curious about this one.

[KPR[X-303]]

I needed help and no one would help me do a quest so i kinda tricked a guy into following me that guy seemed to have some very strong friends level 16's and a level 30 and a level 25 i beat the 16 and 20 the 30 killed me i got really mad and left the next thing i know my account no longer has my priest but at least they were nice enough not to cancel my subscription

[Captain Salazar Snowberry]

Okay, it took me awhile, but I got the game. The delay was mainly due to sickness, bad weather, and god forsaken homework.

Anywho, it's sitting on my desk, I'll install it tommorow.

[LardGibs]

Alliance-Dalaran-Heroes of the Command-MVB-LardGibs-Lilyan-MightyDWC-Ebev-et. al.


glad to hear it GI-J, let us know what you WoW name is.

[ebev]

Now leval 19 Warlock... Just getting ticked i cant finish the VC quest! gahh!

[Mister.T]

Damit! im a level 35 Rogue and on the Malygos server

If there is a way to transfer my character i will, but if not im staying put.

[Captain Salazar Snowberry]

Shit guys, I won't be able to play for awhile, I have to reformat my computer. I'll be on Daralan, as a Dwarven hunter, and I'm going to have Engineering and Mining.

Anywho, I've been sick and in my room since wednesday with the World of Warcraft manual, so now I know a bunch of out dated crap about the game.

[LardGibs]

All of you who are coming to Dalaran as 'new' players, thanks.

It's my observation that our guild could use a rogue or 2, so consider it if you are starting over or joining for the first time. Of course, we can always find some on Dalaran as well. So far, classes that are reasonably/over represented.

Hunters
Warriors
Mages

If somebody else wants to go priest (Keeper) then that would probably be good. I am finding keeping the income up a bit tough though and need party players. Also, we are making mediocre progress towards getting the guild tabard but progress, your help is appreciated.

Me, I like high level warlocks who can put soulstone ressurection on me. :D <3 Hopefully Queselilyan/Ebev can get there soon.

and MVB looks like goddamn captain america in his silly colored armour, no dignity at all. Screenshots, maybe, MVB? :rofl:

http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/images/screens/ss001.jpg

[KPR[X-303]]

Im a prest level 22 currently stationed near stone talon in Ashenvale main city, i can help you and if we need more tailors i can help with that to do we have many druids imt hinking of making one of those lol

[BIack]

Ive bought the game and MVB, you are right about the intro :)

What sever shall I play on? Draenor?

Also, I wanna be undead. Does that mean I cant play with you guys?

[LardGibs]

play with stats et al on daggerspine, they are on pvp horde server (euro)

[BIack]

...so if Im undead and in another sever...we cant play? Sucks

But I love the game. Im a level 3 undead mage, in Daenor

[The Dark Messenger]

Change to Daggerspine, you wno't lose much :)

I'll help you out for a bit too. I have some equipment that you won't be able to use for a few levels ;) Play as the horde, any race, I picked a UD warrior and he's great fun to use :)

[BIack]

Ok, daggerspine here I come

I go under the name BlackBaps

ANd Im looking forward to being a mage :)

Edit: Ive started an undead warlock. Still in the first area, levelling up and having some party quests.

I have to say I am VERY happy I got this. Its an amazing game.

[Papa Smurf]

I have no internet ill be back online in a week or so i have installed and registered but did not even have time for a quick look :(

[stats]

warlocks own. one challenged me to a duel on an airship yesterday... waited to the thing started moving, possesed me and make me walk off the edge of the ship to my death.. funny!

got in contact with furious yesterday also. his name is shadows, undead warrior.

[BIack]

This is the best game Ive played since HW2, and I have totally fallen in love with it.

My financee played it for 20 mins, half an hour later we were arriving back from the shops with ANOTHER copy so she could play on our other computer. She set up another account and here we are, questing together! NEVER thought Id see the day.

And for all those who say the level caps at 60 and that makes it suck...well for a start, the cap is temporary. THe literature already states that sa the game evolves, the cap will increase. It will take you ages to get to 60 anyway.

The community is fantastic too. Thanks all for helping me decide to get this. Id recommend Gamespot's video streaming features to help decide in teh future, its what swung me.

Ive got a gnomish warlock in Stormwind / Europe server. Level 10 at the mo.
Also an undead warlock back up character in daggerspine.

[Papa Smurf]

Well back on line on draenor / europe lev 13 human mage

any tips on which are the best spells?

Its not bad, oh btw thanks for getting me totally lost BIack, getting back all the way from the elf world back to stormwind was a total bitch especially as i could not even damage the wee beasties in the areas on the way back, i did not have a griffin stop and had to guess my way all the way back, thank god i made it. I lub ben more than i lub you now :oP

EDIT: have moved to Dragonmaw now level 27 warlock name: Deathwalker

[Rubba Duck]

currently lvl 11 ork warlock - daggerspine

Where the hell do i buy wands from, i hate daggers!

[LardGibs]

as a stopgap until you can get shadow wand (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=1472) at auction house, I suggest getting an enchanter to make you a lesser or greater magic (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=1318) wand, or greater mystic. They're enough to get the job done until you get something better.

[Scorpion]

i need to know whether this is a good enough game to buy?
i have heard that the gameplay is good and the basic idea is sound but i am just a bit put off by the cost i mean it really is a rip off seeing as you have to buy the game in the first place?

[MVB]

The game is, in my own opinion, excellent. It has its share of problems, like any game, but overall it's a blast. The questing and pve aspects of the game are extensive and involving. The leveling is just fast enough to not seem slow, and just slow enough to not seem easy. The balance for the PvE side of the game is very well developed.

The PvP is in some ways carebearish, in the sense that you do not lose your gear/gold when you die. You do incur repair penalties, but they are relatively minor. I personally don't mind this, as I never needed to lose parts of my mothership in homeworld to enjoy playing THAT game. My "punishment" was losing, period. My reward winning, period. To each their own, however.

The patching is regular, frequent, and effective. Game bugs and problems are addressed and solved in as rapid a pace as possible, and Blizzard pays for a full-time patch/support staff whose responsibility is solely the development of continued content, patches, updates, etc.

The cost is more than most MMOs, and is the same (I believe) as City of Heroes -- another successful MMO. As a result of the vast # of players, Blizzard is literally making tens of millions of dollars monthly in subscription fees alone. They seem to be doing a good job of putting at least a good bit of this money BACK into the game, as continued support has -- so far -- been excellent.

Lag is still somewhat bad in HEAVILY populated PvP situations, and in heavily populated cities at peak times, although it seems to be more related to graphics load than anything else. You can crank your graphics settings way down to cope with some of this, but it is a minor setback at times. The development of PvP battlegrounds which set aside separate instance servers for PvP may help offset some of the lag by creating separate shards for organized PvP events. High population lag in busy city areas seems to be a permanent installment for the near future.

Overall the game deserved, IMO, the many Game of the Year awards it received and should continue to receive. Although my experience in MMOs is not widespread, this is easily the best MMO I've personally ever played, though again I don't have a lot of experience in them to judge with.

I enjoy it a lot :)

[lubaya]

is this thread still alive??? i just own World Of Warcraft...and so far the game is good..i like it

[Grenwich]

aaaah..... the history of how HotC got started....Good reading while I'm on break at work:)