Jarhead

[Justice]

Anyone else seen this movie yet? I saw it last night, it was a pretty amazing documentary of what happens in the Marine Core.

The movie upped my respect for the Marines and what all people training for the military and fighting for a country have to live through. Oorah!

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[Karmashock]

apparently the story was partically stolen from the autobiography of a marine that recently wrote a book... he's taking the writer or producer of this movie to court...


not that that should effect your enjoyment of the film... just some gossip from teh grapevine...

[Cleary]

The blair witch is kinda great i seen it before afew times but now im old enough to apritiate it more.

White noise is cool but the best type of horror is
28 days later / dawn of the dead

[Karmashock]

The blair witch is kinda great i seen it before afew times but now im old enough to apritiate it more.

White noise is cool but the best type of horror is
28 days later / dawn of the dead
what does that have to do with a 'serious' war movie?

[tom]

Nothing, but poor Billy here has a short attention span.

[Cleary]

Lol.

I thought this was a horror film thread.

[Karmashock]

Welcome to the Suck.
Offical Site (http://www.jarheadmovie.com/)
http://www.ilmfan.com/extras/vfx_upcoming_projects/images/jarhead.jpg
Trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/jarhead/large.html)
A witty, profane, down-in-the-sand account of the war many only know from CNN, this former sniper's debut is a worthy addition to the battlefield memoir genre. There isn't a bit of heroic posturing as Swofford describes the sheer terror of being fired upon by Iraqi troops; the elite special forces warrior freely admits wetting himself once rockets start exploding around his unit's encampment. But the adrenaline of battle is fleeting, and Swofford shows how it's in the waiting that soldiers are really made. With blunt language and bittersweet humor, he vividly recounts the worrying, drinking, joking, lusting and just plain sitting around that his troop endured while wondering if they would ever put their deadly skills to use. As Operation Desert Shield becomes Desert Storm, one of Swofford's fellow snipers-the most macho of the bunch-solicits a hug from each man. "We are about to die in combat, so why not get one last hug, one last bit of physical contact," Swofford writes. "And through the hugs [he] helps make us human again." When they do finally fight, Swofford questions whether the men are as prepared as their commanders, the American public and the men themselves think they are. Swofford deftly uses flashbacks to chart his journey from a wide-eyed adolescent with a family military legacy to a hardened fighter who becomes consumed with doubt about his chosen role. As young soldiers might just find themselves deployed to the deserts of Iraq, this book offers them, as well as the casual reader, an unflinching portrayal of the loneliness and brutality of modern warfare and sophisticated analyses of-and visceral reactions to-its politics.
Copyright 2002 Reed Business Information, Inc.


Love and peace, Karmashock.

[1337 Jesus]

Okay, I, whom am personally in the canadian militia. Thought that movie was trash. Blew old men. I hated it. Fricken feigs. Terrible. No one died. Wasn't entertaining enough. I've seen goats screw that was more entertaining then that, im totally serious. I watch the farm across from my igloo because I live in canada.

No but on the serious side of things. I disliked it....a lot. It wasn't what I wanted. Just plain drama. Like anyone who was thinking about the military and had a girlfriend. Has now given up their dreams because they think their wife is going to sleep with their neighbour and leave them. Because that will happen. Plus no one died of actual military causes. FOR GOD SAKES THERE WAS MORE GOD DAMN VIOLANCE IN BAMBI!

[Karmashock]

FOR GOD SAKES THERE WAS MORE GOD DAMN VIOLANCE IN BAMBI!

really... well that's strange... as a sniper he should have seen skull fragments pop out the back of the enemy's head....:(

[Justice]

No but on the serious side of things. I disliked it....a lot. It wasn't what I wanted. Just plain drama. Like anyone who was thinking about the military and had a girlfriend. Has now given up their dreams because they think their wife is going to sleep with their neighbour and leave them. Because that will happen.
This movie was taken from a personal account from a Marine who actually served during Gulf War I ... Maybe some drama, but most is completely true

Plus no one died of actual military causes. FOR GOD SAKES THERE WAS MORE GOD DAMN VIOLANCE IN BAMBI!
This was one of the major themes in the movie - they shot no one, they never fired their rifles once. Why? Because snipers are becoming "outdated" ... why not just send in an air strike? One of the points the movie is trying to make is that war is becoming less personal. A sniper or a soldier doesn't "gloat" about kills anymore because he or she doesn't get to do that. Instead of looking a person in the eye and killing them with a sword, or being able to see your target as you blow the back of his head out with a sniper rifle, all you have to do is fly a plane in and bomb it to pieces. You don't know who you killed, you can't put a face on who you've just killed, what family he or she might have, what life they're leaving behind, etc. Maybe this helps to ease the guilt of killing someone because you there's no face to put to the body.

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[Juggalo]

Wanted to see it, but every time we were gonna go, something came up or we didn't have any money. *shrugs*

[Weavern]

Isnt this just a propaganda film heavily sponsored by the usarmy? Thus the idea that there is no shooting or death would glorify joining and you would not be put in danger or some such?

[Quietus]

This was one of the major themes in the movie - they shot no one, they never fired their rifles once. Why? Because snipers are becoming "outdated" ... why not just send in an air strike? One of the points the movie is trying to make is that war is becoming less personal. A sniper or a soldier doesn't "gloat" about kills anymore because he or she doesn't get to do that. Instead of looking a person in the eye and killing them with a sword, or being able to see your target as you blow the back of his head out with a sniper rifle, all you have to do is fly a plane in and bomb it to pieces. You don't know who you killed, you can't put a face on who you've just killed, what family he or she might have, what life they're leaving behind, etc. Maybe this helps to ease the guilt of killing someone because you there's no face to put to the body.

Then that theme is completely wrong. First, snipers never gloated on their kills, didn't even really brag. The "best sniper" ever (Carlos Halfcock) did have a book about it, and in that plus the interviews hes done you can tell he wasn't gloating but simply recounting the events. Sniping brings the art of killing to a very personal level, more than anything a rifleman or even a frontline soldier in ancient times can experience. The whole act of stalking, viewing the target, and then killing them has a huge mental burden associated with it. I know many soldiers. Some old, Some current. But I don't know one soldier who has ever bragged or gloated about any kill he had in the military. Aviators might be a different story, but I don't know any.

Often there is no need to ease the guilt, as the people you are killing are trying just as hard to kill you. They make the conscious effort to pick up a weapon and fire it, just like our soldiers do.

Snipers and infantry as a whole are not outdated at all. Bombers can only do so much, and no ground can ever be captured or held by aircraft. Infantry will always have a place because of this. Snipers will always have a place because the infantry will. They have just as much effect against morale as they do against the person they are shooting.

Maybe he never fired his weapon as a sniper because we captured Iraq in 4 days? We destroyed their army and their will to fight so fast, that hundreds at a time were surrendering to our aircraft.

[Karmashock]

at this point we only use soldiers when we want to save lives... that might sound like an oxymoron, but the point is to 'not' kill innocents... if we didn't give a damn, then we could just exterminate all life from 30000 feet... even with conventional bombs...

[Quietus]

No you couldn't.

No ground cannot be captured or defended effectively without infantry.

[Karmashock]

No you couldn't.

No ground cannot be captured or defended effectively without infantry.
who said anything about capturing it or defending it?


I said you could exterminate the enemy... not take ground... and if the enemy is all dead... do you really care?...


Armies have operated on the principle of just killing the enemy while not defending or capturing anything... patton was the most modern example of this... he didn't want the fortresses or the land... he just wanted dead enemies... if he saw a major fortress, he'd typically ignore it... and he made little effort to hold onto land after he had killed the enemy... it's still weird to think the guy grew up in sunny so cal... nomadic warriors throughout history have had this tactic as well though... pillage and burn... then move on... little interest in what they destroyed beyond what they could carry with them on their horses...


He used ground troops... but my point is simply that if the enemy is dead and that's all you care about... it can be done from the air... there isn't a hole deep enough that one bomb or another can't destroy the humans in it...

[eXoRciSt]

I just watched Saving Private Ryan, that and Gladiator were the only movies which made me cry.

Holy shit that movie was gory and entertaining. and sad

[tom]

Nothing makes me cry. I am teh untearable.

[Quietus]

You cried at gladiator? Geez what a wuss.

[Karmashock]

Nothing makes me cry. I am teh untearable.
only movie that made me cry was an old movie with bogart in it... called Sahara...

[Blacksand]

Pilots gloat about their kills because they don't personify the aircraft they shoot down as being flown by people.

As for the bombs, ect - well .. every pilot I've ever known simply disregards the fact that people might have their lives ended when those bombs go off.

Granted, these are mostly naval pilots that I've deal with, but from what I hear it's a pretty common thing.

As for Jarhead - I've not seen it, and I don't really care to. Honestly, it sounds rather true to life, as in what ACTUALLY happens during a deployment, or any general working day in the military in general. That being said, I live that experience every day, and I don't really want to see a movie about how dull my (working)life is.

Bullshitting, browsing the forums, and playing cards, and having 10 people clamoring over what gear DOES come in isn't exactly the exciting, fast paced career the ads and recruiters might make it out to be, but by god it pays the bills and I've never been paid quite so much to be quite so lazy. Which is why I'm getting out, to be honest.

If I stay in any longer, it will totally destroy my work ethic, and I while I really love my job, I've never held any love for the military. I joined for a specific set of goals, and I've accomplished that - Navy took me from being a homeless dropout drugfiend to a guy that owns his own place and makes decent money. And soon, I'll be making even more. So, mission accomplished - time to move on.

[Outrageous Cheek]

only movie that made me cry was an old movie with bogart in it... called Sahara...

Hope you aren't talking about the Mathew Makanhay masterpiece? Wew. Best film of my entire life. (Loved the part where they killed a helicopter with a burried 1790s iron clad.)

Is the nudity and profanity bad in this movie? I wanted to see it but we decided against it because it supposedly is quite inappropriate.

I got kinda tearly in one movie, don't remember what it was.

This is an intresting thread though. Keep i' flowin'.

[Blacksand]

Chef - old movie+Bogart = not Sahara that came out last year.

Interesting fact - the book the new movie is based off of was written by Clive Cussler, and he later sued Disney over the movie because it is nothing like the book, and something about the premise being stolen.

Let me research it really quickly..

Okay, he sued Crusader Entertainment over the fact that they changed the script without his approval - which in the deal he inked, he would have full control over the scripts. I'd agree to that, they ARE his books after all.

Anyway, this is the second time they've tried to make a movie out of a Cussler book, iirc .. and both have been pretty bad. They just don't translate well to film, though they ARE good reads.

[Justice]

Gladiator ... made me cry

WUSSY PUSSY!!!!!

Nothing makes me cry. I am teh untearable.

If I kicked you in the balls, would you cry?

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[Weavern]

There is cry, there is sob, and there is tear. :p there is a difference unless you link them all with expelling water from your eyes.

[1337 Jesus]

This movie was taken from a personal account from a Marine who actually served during Gulf War I ... Maybe some drama, but most is completely true


This was one of the major themes in the movie - they shot no one, they never fired their rifles once. Why? Because snipers are becoming "outdated" ... why not just send in an air strike? One of the points the movie is trying to make is that war is becoming less personal. A sniper or a soldier doesn't "gloat" about kills anymore because he or she doesn't get to do that. Instead of looking a person in the eye and killing them with a sword, or being able to see your target as you blow the back of his head out with a sniper rifle, all you have to do is fly a plane in and bomb it to pieces. You don't know who you killed, you can't put a face on who you've just killed, what family he or she might have, what life they're leaving behind, etc. Maybe this helps to ease the guilt of killing someone because you there's no face to put to the body.

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

Most of this is completly true. They only need us now for capture and control after the base has been cooked. Also to give locations. But what I didn't get. Is who uses a fucking bomb on 2 fucking guys. Seriously. If the snipers shot simonaniously at the two targets guess what would have been a lot more effiective? Yeah. 2 rifle rounds compared to namplam. Off by just a little.

Also its an anti-military film.

[Justice]

I don't think it is ... the Staff Sargeant still stays in the military because he "loves the job ..."

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[Karmashock]

Interesting fact - the book the new movie is based off of was written by Clive Cussler, and he later sued Disney over the movie because it is nothing like the book, and something about the premise being stolen.

Let me research it really quickly..

Okay, he sued Crusader Entertainment over the fact that they changed the script without his approval - which in the deal he inked, he would have full control over the scripts. I'd agree to that, they ARE his books after all.

Anyway, this is the second time they've tried to make a movie out of a Cussler book, iirc .. and both have been pretty bad. They just don't translate well to film, though they ARE good reads.
Never read him, but how can you say his books don't translate well into film when it's possible that his books might never have been translated into film?... I mean, if they changed the script without his permission?...