PIRATES! THEY EXIST!

[tom]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/11/05/somalia.pirates/index.html

A luxury cruise line will re-evaluate whether to offer future cruises off the coast of Somalia after pirates attempted to attack one of its ships early Saturday.

THEY LIVE!!!!

[Delta]

:blink: :rofl:

i knew some were still around but not as balsy as that though

[Polaris]

you cant be a pirate without a triangle hat

[Burning]

YES!!!

[Justice]

Why didn't the pirates succeed ... it's not like luxury liners have super-defensive systems...

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[Rubba Duck]

and they have to go: arrrrrrrrr a lot!

[Cleary]

Would it be leagle for the pirates? because its legal because no one would own the sea

[Justice]

No, under international law, I'm sure "unwarranted search & seizures" (which is basically what piracy is), are illegal.

The US and other countries violate this all the time with stuff like PSI, but hey, we don't give a shit, do we.

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[Juggalo]

but hey, we don't give a shit, do we.

We gives no fucks. :D

[Karmashock]

Why didn't the pirates succeed ... it's not like luxury liners have super-defensive systems...
because pirates from somalia tend to attack in these things...
http://www.confluence.org/fr/all/n48w005/pic4.jpg

And you can easily defend yourself from 'that' by just... "turning on your engine and going 'forward"... end game. ;)
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No, under international law, I'm sure "unwarranted search & seizures" (which is basically what piracy is), are illegal.
No it isn't... piracy would at least require some kind of 'thieft' with a profit motive.

The US and other countries violate this all the time with stuff like PSI, but hey, we don't give a shit, do we.
The US doesn't take away anything with intent to 'sell'... we do confiscate drugs and weapons... and then destroy them. Want to complain about that?

[Quietus]

because pirates from somalia tend to attack in these things...
http://www.confluence.org/fr/all/n48w005/pic4.jpg

And you can easily defend yourself from 'that' by just... "turning on your engine and going 'forward"... end game. ;)
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No it isn't... piracy would at least require some kind of 'thieft' with a profit motive.


The US doesn't take away anything with intent to 'sell'... we do confiscate drugs and weapons... and then destroy them. Want to complain about that?

Siezed property that is not drugs or weapons is auctioned, though.

Gone are the days when the pirates had eye patches, swords, and were the masters of fast cutters; now it's Raybans, cellular phones and high-speed boats. Today's ships, with their high-value cargos and small crews to man the ships that carry them, are highly vulnerable to criminal predators in high-speed boats, armed with modern assault weapons, and operating in sea lanes that international carriers must traverse. Pirates are thus able to make surprise attacks on unarmed merchantmen and get away with money and loot. The end of both colonial controls and latter the cold war has reduced naval presence and capability in regions where piracy has historically flourished. Modern day pirates, well armed and well equipped, are becoming more active in the Pacific and along the coasts of Africa and South America.

Piracy is an international crime consisting of illegal acts of violence, detention, or depredation committed for private ends by the crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft in or over international waters against another ship or aircraft or persons and property on board. (Depredation is the act of plundering, robbing, or pillaging.)

In international law piracy is a crime that can be committed only on or over international waters (including the high seas, exclusive economic zone, and the contiguous zone), in international airspace, and in other places beyond the territorial jurisdiction of any nation. The same acts committed in the internal waters, territorial sea, archipelagic waters, or national airspace of a nation do not constitute piracy in international law but are, instead, crimes within the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the littoral nation.

To constitute the crime of piracy, the illegal acts must be committed for private ends. Consequently, an attack upon a merchant ship at sea for the purpose of achieving some criminal end, e.g., robbery, is an act of piracy as that term is currently defined in international law. Conversely, acts otherwise constituting piracy done for purely political motives, as in the case of insurgents not recognized as belligerents, are not piratical.

International law has long recognized a general duty of all nations to cooperate in the repression of piracy. This traditional obligation is included in the 1958 Geneva Convention on the High Seas and the 1982 LOS Convention, both of which provide: "[A]ll States shall cooperate to the fullest possible extent in the repression of piracy on the high seas or in any other place outside the jurisdiction of any State."

[Karmashock]

Siezed property that is not drugs or weapons is auctioned, though.
... against drug dealers and weapons smugglers...:lol:

[Quietus]

When they arrest the individual(s) running drugs or weapons, their vehicles and all other property is siezed too...

[Karmashock]

When they arrest the individual(s) running drugs or weapons, their vehicles and all other property is siezed too...
individuals = organized crime, terrorists, or pirates. :lol:

[Quietus]

what?

[Justice]

... I think the definition of piracy just about sums up my post earlier.

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[Karmashock]

... I think the definition of piracy just about sums up my post earlier.
unlawful searches and seizures is not piracy...:howdy:

[Justice]

I'm afraid they are.

Pirates "search" the ship for valuables and "seize" the valuables, doing so illegally.

Do you not understand what the words "to search" and "the seizure" mean?

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[Karmashock]

I'm afraid they are.

Pirates "search" the ship for valuables and "seize" the valuables, doing so illegally.
That isn't a search and seizure... not in any legal sense.

Do you not understand what the words "to search" and "the seizure" mean?
Better then you do unfortunately... because you don't seem to realize that the term "search and seizure" can't be randomly attributed to any act where a given party searches for a given item and takes it.

A seach and siezure can only be done by a legally authorized enforcement body. Pirates are not legally authorized to do anything... and are certainly not any kind of offical enforcement body.


Words have special meanings in context... in this context the term search and seizure is a legal term. Not something to be found your dictionary.


Just a fact, karmashock.

[Quietus]

Karma is right. Search and Seizure applies only to law enforcement. Depredation is the name for what pirates do.

[Justice]

I'm not talking about Black's Law Dictionary's definition of "search and seizure."

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[RazielDemon]

Apparently these dummies fired machine guns and RPG's at the boat, then found out none had had the curtesy of leaving out a rope ladder or some such item to let them climb aboard. Then they gave up...

3 cheers for planning!

[Juggalo]

:rofl:

[Ax3]

Strange this makes the news.
In the waters north of Australia, pirates are quiet common and atm, security personal are payed $64,000 AUS for 6mth rotations on vessels to protect against pirates.

Approx 30 - 40 vessels a year are taken/raided - so amazing how this made news?

[DJTheBaron]

YAR

[RazielDemon]

If I'm not mistaken those are mostly cargo ships, but this was a cruise liner with over 300 people on board.

[Justice]

Techy question - can radar detect small boats?

I realize Somalia is too poor to afford radaring their coast, but countries like the US have early-warning radar systems, aye? Perhaps that's why we never hear of piracy off US waters?

Or do the people floating in from Cuba on wooden doors disprove?

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[Karmashock]

Techy question - can radar detect small boats?

I realize Somalia is too poor to afford radaring their coast, but countries like the US have early-warning radar systems, aye? Perhaps that's why we never hear of piracy off US waters?

Or do the people floating in from Cuba on wooden doors disprove?

There is no piracy off US waters because of the coast guard... anyway, you can't use radar to detect such small boats... this thing was like an inflatable motor boat...

[Justice]

Coast Guard can't be everywhere at once.

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[Karmashock]

enough to keep piracy from being a practical profession in US waters. ;) :lol:

[Quietus]

It's easy enough to radio for help, and have the coast guard come running.

[Karmashock]

oh, I'm sure a pirate could get away with hijacking a few boats... but for pirates to exist they have to get away with it pretty much everytime... or at least survive the encounter.

In US waters, you will get your ass caught... and then it's over. They'll take your boat and throw your ass in jail.

End of pirates.

[Justice]

Apparently the captain of the boat tried to steer the cruise liner into the pirate boats to defend the ship.

The force the boat carries when it smacks into the smaller ship ... like an 18 wheeler into a bike

cheers, and
-=</|Awesome Party!|\>=-

[Karmashock]

Apparently the captain of the boat tried to steer the cruise liner into the pirate boats to defend the ship.

The force the boat carries when it smacks into the smaller ship ... like an 18 wheeler into a bike
Really? I heard they just ran away... the cruise ship was supposidely a lot faster then the cheap ass pirate boats.