quests

[ellora]

guild raids are fun, but i still have all the -quests- from strat, scholo and dm (and a few other ones too, still, i think) to do. i dont think i'm the only one. or does anyone bother to do those things?
*rubs eyes*

[MVB]

I have quests to do still also. One is in UBRS -- kill Drakk. I'm sure I have a few from other places.

Would like to do a strat baron/full run or UBRS run tonight. Especially since Vlax has the key. I think we'll do a short fun event, then do one of those two.

[gadiladre]

I think almost all of us still have the quests everywhere since you can only run them in 5-man groups (excluding Drakk and some other ones). lard and I have been toying with the idea to start running 5-man groups but that was tough till only recently since there weren't that many 60's on in a variety of classes. we wanted to keep it in guild because we know how each other plays and what not. I definitely have an interest in both finishing the quests and running these instances in a group as opposed to a raid ( more drops and more gold) and I clearly I am not the only one so maybe we can start making it happen in the future.

[ellora]

/yay

[LardGibs]

here's the deal.

Argent Defender (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=21010)
Argent Avenger (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=22062)
Argent Crusader (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=19796)
this is the 5 man goal; if we work on this, all other stratholme quests will be resolved and then some

basically, 5 man scarlet strat twice (possible I think to do 5/10 for second time but not 100% sure), plenty of fun drops etc
then 5 man baron, extreme preparation and skill and balance required, standard strat drops as well

deal #2
Darrowspike (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=20684)

Warblade of Caer Darrow (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=20133)
Crown of Caer Darrow (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=21093)
Darrowshire Strongguard (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=20130)
5 man scholo a few times; upon completion, ellora is able to purchase some alchemy formulae from argent dawn also (major mana potion, water-air transmute)

particularly for scholo, ellora is owed some help as our guild alchemist.

please see my thread on scheduled runs (http://http://www.tlsconline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=86327) to offer your input.

The bad news? 5 man composition is basically locked, priest or druid/mage/lock/warrior/_______

[ellora]

thats crap

[LardGibs]

what's crap? the composition? I attempted 5 man scarlet strat several times before I got it done, trying to save people some time here by not wiping a lot.

-edit-
and after 1.6 baron will probably be easier from what I hear, the slaughterhouse gate will reopen, so you get a few chances to wipe.

[ellora]

gah - i take my 'crap' back. i misread/counted. you're just saying hunter is a take it or leave it thing.

it's not easy being me. no body loves the hunter. bastages

[MVB]

If you practice marking and freeze trapping with exceptional skill, you'll be more and more popular.

[2biT]

Ick hunters what are they good for?

Ah pulling every mob with there pet or trying to tank?

[Papa Smurf]

HK's for me, that what they are good for

[ellora]

i dont pull every mob. neither does my pet. i've enjoyed playing my hunter, but there really isnt much value to them in the game. sigh

[MVB]

I disagree, to be honest. In 10 and 15-man raids, it can sometimes get very confusing to figure out where to target, and ff can be hugely important. Very good hunters are pro with marking, and that's a big deal to me.

Also, freeze traps CAN be as effective as a sheep if done well, and that is another thing a good hunter can do to help a raid group.

Those are just a few of the things off the top of my head. Some of their auras and other things can be nice as well.

[LardGibs]

actually it's rather simple.


If you want to kill magmadar in MC, you should have 2 hunters with tranquilizing shot. End of story.

Hunters are also useful for figuring out pulls in new instances, but it's not the only way to do it of course, as with everything in the game.
I do think hunters have gotten a bad reputation for having a tenuous claim for some of the weapons in the game, but that could be said of anyone and it's just the way it goes.

Hunters have an edge in soloing and farming also, I'd certainly like to be able to track humanoids and elementals.

The hunter's ranged dps is not to be ignored either, in the Onyxia sequence, they can actually do maxiumum dps the whole fight and not gain aggro if they feign effectively.

finally, one of the benefits of being in a guild is that even if your class is less desirable, your guildmates will still find ways to take you along???

[Papa Smurf]

they do very well in BG too, in alerac where i tend to spend most of my life its always between the hunter, mages and locks for the top places

[MVB]

Den your warriors blow Papsie

That being said, all my points/lard's/etc. all apply to hunters. I think he's right, though, that a lot of the bad rep comes from the variety of weapons they can use, causing them to earn sometimes "annoyed" rep with more melee-only classes who lose weapon rolls to them.

[2biT]

Im always 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the alliance score, and im a god dam priest. Just goes to show how crap skullcrusher alliance are at pvp.

[MVB]

Not true 2bit; shadow priests earn tons of killshots b/c their dot's often get the "kill" on fleeing guys running out of hp.

That's why warrirors should always be first or near first -- warriors in bg should be outfitted with crit/dps gear, and especially when they have improved execute, they may not be doing all the damage, but they're certainly getting the killshots in on people due to execute, and that's where "score" comes from (one reason it may not be worth crap).

[ellora]

BG - i do very well in wg on O, usually in top 3. lately i've been in shitty groups so i tend to stay D to keep our friggin flag. why's everyone gotta go to O? *throws arms in air*

yes, as a hunter, i can solo very well - which is one of the main reasons i started a hunter - and i love the tracking abilities, and i have a decent dps ranged (plus i crit like mad). it's very rare, though, that you see anyone LF hunter specifically to join group/raid.

i do need to respec though, cuz currently i'm spec'd for soloing more than anything.

[MVB]

Also, I have both BOE beaststalker's pieces available if you need them ellora ... use thottbot to figure which ones those are and if you need 'em, and let me know.

If you respecced using wow forums as a guide or something, you'd be even more helpful; I lke the freeze trap/marking alone, plus you're fun to have along.

[ellora]

i heard beaststalker belt dropped last night. was disappointed i missed it. but i need both boe's :D
i <3 beaststalker

yeah i'll be doing some research before i settle on respec. any input on that is welcomed.

[MVB]

http://anubz.com/WoW/wowclasses/Hunter/HunterFAQ&LinksbyIllyanna.htm

[Papa Smurf]

no a warrior can only really attack one person at a time were my AoE can hit 20+ people taking down any that are near 1000hp left i am full on destruction build and with my damage gear on i do way more than the standard 906 damage over 8 seconds, add to this i have a good chance to stun added on through talents and plus 10% through talents to all my destruction spell, and that i get and extra 200 on my spells from my gear oh and i can cast it 20% further than, most other AoE means i do not get hit by them i have won in alerac twice in the last two day and taken over 3000 HK not bad for a wanky warlock.

DoTs suck in BG, any lock worth his salt is checking people around him and those retreating and using the felhunter to kill them nasty DoT, you must have some of the least organised PvP ever

[MVB]

Papa, I imagine you also talked smack about your HW2 skills vs. mine ;)

As far as the pvp goes ... a lock can aoe all he wants, but warriors literally have a skill which more or less auto-kills everything around them under 20% hp one at a time. When the mages/locks are aoe'ing the hell out of things, a good warrior waits for each to get to 20% and ganks it. Additionally, a crit-built warrior like myself can either solo someone using furystance/ms and good equipment and hit for 800-1600/hit nonstop, and in a bunch can use ww and do 4 x 800-1600 every time he hits it. Well-handled crit warriors do amazing damage output, and this shows in BG more than anywhere else.

As far as DoT's go, if a guy gets to 20% with 5 or 6 dot's on him, and manages to flee out of combat and around a corner, he'll still die if they're solid dot's, even if he manages to escape pursuit due to the confusion of a melee between 60 players total. This is why a good shadow priest or other high-dmg dotter will dot the hell out of everything he sees in a fight.

Locks are ok, but the fact that you would suggest even a destruction lock would easily rock more than a WELL-handled warrior or shadow priest in BG doesn't highlight much favorable in terms of my impression of the pvp on your server ;)

[LardGibs]

all e-peen dimensions aside :|


HoTC are not gods of pvp. A 1v1 dueling class (shadow priest) does not stand up to organized teamwork and tactics.

that said, the reason why all the stupid mages who pvp are grand marshals is the aoe factor, and having aoe that farms targets pushes your ranking up, but are you a god of pvp? no, you're likely to get nerfed.

IMO, the one thing that seems to give the horde an advantage are the classic faction imbalances give alliance less practice with CTF and more forced random groups, and no access to Alterac ever. Neither of these settings really mean much.

All we can say is that MVB and I have a pretty decent track record of 2-manning the flag out of the orc base, largely due to the rapid rate in which single feared targets get killed, and a few heals/shields thrown his way. I could give a ripe shat about what is going on on anyone else's server, and I don't really think that anyone who chose a pvp class is uber brilliant and visionary in the slightest.
hopefully, if we can build a trio where a battlekitty druid nabs the flag while MVB and I cover the speedy retreat, we will be able to reliably retrieve a flag from 8 defenders.

and frankly I'm inches from not caring about pvp at all, since for the same number of trips to warsong I'm a master sergeant and MVB is a knight, the gay frost wand from Korrak, and until the standings are bracketed by class I doubt I'll take it seriously.

[MVB]

A quick final note ...

If a mage or lock goes through and aoe's 50 people, he'll get hk value for each. If a warrior goes through and utterly wtfpwns 5 or 10 of those 50 people, he may only get 5 or 10 hk's, but who was genuinely the better pvp'er? The fact that you got 3k hk's doesn't mean all that much.

[2biT]

In AV/PvP AoE is king and Range is queen.

I have seen so truly cool team work done by a arm/fury warrior with 3 priests chain healing/dispelling him. Took like 5 mins to take the bastard down. Outside a raid group i can just out HK everyone due to DoT's and good use of MB. In raid groups i stick with healing/MB low hp players. AV is/should be the best place for group pvp.

MVB/lard there is a world of difference between pvp and pve servers. Everyone 'knows' how to pvp on a pvp server when they hit 60, so everyone you meet is good. There seems to be a reverse on the euro servers compared to us ones. Alliance outnumber the horde and tend to be better orrgaised, here the horde out number us and are a totally orrgainised. So trying WG is a complete waste of time (*euro), shamans/wotf control that BG. If you are stealing the flag with 2 then the horde on your server must really really suck.

[LardGibs]

I could give a ripe shat about what is going on on anyone else's server,

:agree:

[2biT]

lol.