A big drop for the NBA

[eXoRciSt]

On friday, The Detrion Pistons, and Indiana Pacers got in a huge brawl.
Ben Wallace Violently pushed Ron Artest after a flagrent foul,, and they almost got into a fight.
But, a fan, threw a cup of beer at Ron Artest, and somethking in Artest went off, as he ran into the stands mauling him. But if you didnt notice Stephen Jackson was throweing haymakers at everyone, and ect.

Ron Artest was suspended the whole season, Jermain O'neal and Stephen Jackson 30 games, Ben Wallace 6 games, and others with one game.

In my opinoin i think Stephen Jackson should be more in trouble, because he was just hitting everyone for no reason, while Artest had a reason.

I think Ben Wallace shouldnt have pushed him, so this never would have happened.

To Latrell Spreewell saying he cant feed his family on a 9 million dollar salary, to this, soem one needs to fix something fast.

What are your guy's opionons on this?

[Karmashock]

There is no reason to hit a fan... I don't care if calls your mother a cocksmoking whore and hits you in the head with a thrown glass bottle.

You don't attack the fans... ever.

I would kick them out of the game completely... expelled from basketball... forever.

ANY of them that hit fans would get that treatment. Nothing more... nothing less. THAT is a zero tolerance policy.

I don’t care who they are or what their histories are… I don’t need to know anything more. Just tell me whether they attacked fans and they’re gone…. PERIOD.

[eXoRciSt]

But why do the fans get more privilages then the players?

[Shackled Phoenix]

Heh, this really makes me proud to be from Detroit. (sarcasm) I guess it doesn't matter since I was already disgusted by my peoples. Funniest part is, i'm from detroit, and currently living in Indianapolis....... >< anyways, i'm with demon. Attacking the fans is bullshit, especially since they believe that ron artest mistakenly attacked the wrong fan. The fan should never have thrown the bottle obviously, and detroit police are currently searching with the intent to arrest for aggravated assault, but nevertheless, Artest had alot better options to handle it. Worst part is, people here in Indiana are making it out to be Detroits fault for not contolling the crowd, when the nearest security had actually moved to the floor to break up the brawl ready to occur between the teams.

[Karmashock]

But why do the fans get more privilages then the players?
If the player didn't do anything then the fan would go to jail... As it is, the player is lucky if he isn't brought up on some serious criminal or civil charges.

If the player hits the fan, then he has ZERO business being in the league and should just be expelled... period. Any fan that throws a bottle at a player should also be barred from ever coming to at that stadium ever again. Maybe the whole league... I don't really care. Just so long as players and fans behave themselves. You know, there was a time when it was just those crazy euros that would riot over a game... but now we're doing it and it makes me sick... The only solution to this is to make sure the trouble makers just don't come... keep your fucking money and stay home... That or just ban alcohol from the fans... it would be a shame if a few drunk assholes couldn't hold their liquor and ruined it for everyone... but if we lack the conviction to send the trouble makers home, then getting rid of the booze is about it.


As to the players... FUCK THEM! I've have about enough fucking out of control ego trips from those freaks to write a book on them...

No more... if you can't take the pressure out there in the court, then don't sign the fucking contract. Professional sports have no place for you.

If you can't go to a game without making an ass out of yourself, then don't come... seriously just don't bother... get drunk at home and throw that bottle right through your tv set.

[Shackled Phoenix]

If the player didn't do anything then the fan would go to jail... As it is, the player is lucky if he isn't brought up on some serious criminal or civil charges

The player is, if they find him. Detroit police are currently searching for the fan and intend to bring him up on charges for aggravated assault. the fan managed to get away during the chaos.

[eXoRciSt]

If i got beer thrown on me, i would be pretty mad..

Did you see when they were leaving the court, and everybody was poring gatorade,sode,beer, and pop corn on them, 2 words, FUCKED UP.

[MVB]

That doesn't make it ok Demon.

If someone pours beer on you, you do not punch his head off. You throw beer back on him. If you have no beer, you yell at him, but you do not do something worse than what he did to you.

[JADezimar]

I agree with mvb to a point. But for being a Pro Athlete technically employed by the league and the stadium etc. Shouldnt get violent. Cuase they could costs the organization large amounts of money from law suites. (rediculous I know when the player instigated it, but In civil court anything goes.)

[/<yle]

fucking big babies is what they are.

[shutupandshave]

If someone pours beer on you, you do not punch his head off. You throw beer back on him. If you have no beer, you yell at him, but you do not do something worse than what he did to you.

That's bullshit.
If someone kills 3000 of your civilians, you try and eradicate the entire group from the planet, and anyone else that stands in the way, innocent or not.

[MVB]

I'm not so sure you can draw rational or reasonable comparisons between
a) going after terrorists
and
b) retaliating against getting a little beer on you by knocking the living shit out of someone

[shutupandshave]

No of course not, but the principles are the same and that is what I was attempting to draw the comparison between...

If you beat someone up, and they decide to retaliate 10 fold to your retalation...well it doesn't take long to realise that someone or some people are going to end up dead.

[Karmashock]

I would first like to respectfully ask that no one cloud the discussion with unrelated nonsense. This is about American sports, basketball, appropriate behavior, or maturity. Anything having to do with Iraq or terrorism isn't relevant and should be not posted... and if posted - ignored.
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If i got beer thrown on me, i would be pretty mad..

Did you see when they were leaving the court, and everybody was poring gatorade,sode,beer, and pop corn on them, 2 words, FUCKED UP.


Look there are a LOT of people that want to play that game and that can play that game... there are a lot of players around the planet that would love to compete in our national basketball competitions. For us, it's about the entertainment. So if our local players lack the self control to shrug off a little beer getting thrown at them, then I say we accelerate the internationalization of the sport. Do that with a zero tolerance policy and everything is cool.


What the NBA did currently is the very LEAST they could have done which is suspend them for the rest of the season. Frankly, I think just kicking them out of hte game would send a clearer message... but get caught up in this myth that the players are anything more the just a bunch of guy that can throw a ball around.

There is no room in professional sports for this kind of thing.

It is beneath us.
Love and Peace, Karmashock.

[Shackled Phoenix]

The suspension's are being appealed by the player's union, and analysts expect a deal to be made in which Artest's suspension will be shortened. Also several lawsuits are being filed against the detroit pistons by Pacer's players and associates. I hate the bullshit you can get away with for being famous and rich.

[Karmashock]

All that has to happen is for the fans to be pissed. THAT is what protects the players. If the fans side with the players, then the players can do anything.

Side against them and you can set standards.

[eXoRciSt]

You make a good point Karma, but look, if the fans cant respect the players doing their job, why should the players respect the fans, i mean the players worked extremely hard to get where they are, while the fans just watch and critisize. Why should the fans have the low respect to throw beer at players, like there at a zoo? The fans need to cool it before, the NBA turns into the next NHL, or the arena gets caged. Im just saying this from a view from the player, not saying what Ron Artest did wasnt wrong.

[/<yle]

maby because... its the other team? you know how riled up people get over skilly games.

[Karmashock]

The players wouldn't have ANYTHING if it weren't for the fans. The BILLIONS of dollars that business gets COMES from the fans. Respect for the players AT MOST like you respect your doctor. They're both trained and special. But they're both there to do a job. If you do something inappropriate in his office then he should do no more then he needs to do to protect himself and call security. If he goes out of his way to hurt you, then he should lose his license... that is... NEVER PRACTICE MEDICINE EVER AGAIN!... well... he can do it in Mexico if he wants... same deal with the players... if they want to play in Brazil, go for it.

These guys are not gods, they're professionals. It is NOT acceptable for them to hit fans and it is not acceptable for the fans to hit them.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Punish both misdeeds and move forward... ie expel the players and forbid the fans involved from ever coming back.

Problem solved. No anger management, no apologies, no league fines… KICK THEM OUT! GET THE FUCK OUT AND DON"T COME BACK!

[Shackled Phoenix]

The fans need to cool it before, the NBA turns into the next NHL, or the arena gets caged.

Actually the NHL is caged to protect the fans from flying pucks, and checked players landing in peoples laps, not because of player on fan brawls. if you're refering to all the fights in hockey, that's because in the olden days they were encouraged. It was considered similar to boxing because there were rule to how you were allowed to fight. it also prevented all the tension mounting from checks, elbows, etc from turning into a huge enourmous brawl like this one, or the ones you see alot in baseball. (yes i know, sometimes they still happen in the NHL.)

on the subject of the pacer/detroit fight, i'm with karma, the players involved in attacking the crowd need to be kicked from the league, and the fans fined/banned from NBA games. I mean how is it fair for one guy to throw beer at artest and is now being hunted for aggravated assault, but artest who threw punches and assaulted SEVERAL fans gets away with a fucking slap on the wrist one year suspension. OMG he lost 5 million dollars. meanwhile he's about to publish a book and is working on two commercials. BIG FUCKING DEAL 1 year suspension -.-. The pacers prolly care about it more than artest himself does.

[/<yle]

I agree. Kick them outta the league, players and Fans. its unacceptable the way they both acted. Idealy, the fan throws beer on the player, and player shrugs it off as security comes for him.

[eXoRciSt]

Actually what i meant was that the NBA turn might turn into the state if the NHL, and the NBA used to be played in a cage.

But why shoudl the player sbe expelled, for all the comitment, and hard work they put into the game, i mean Ron Arest worked his ass winnind defensive player of the year, why should 1 huge tantrum ruin it all?

And its not that bad for the fans, they just pay and watch.

[/<yle]

Basketball sux anyways. But, you fight, you deserve to get your ass thrown out.

[Karmashock]

But why shoudl the player sbe expelled, for all the comitment, and hard work they put into the game, i mean Ron Arest worked his ass winnind defensive player of the year, why should 1 huge tantrum ruin it all?

And its not that bad for the fans, they just pay and watch.
YOU PISS THAT ALL AWAY THE SECOND YOU JUMP INTO A CROWD AND BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF A GUY!

If this were the 1930s or something this wouldn't even be debated... they would jsut be kicked out right away and no more bullshit.


The fact that you're defending these assholes is just a sign of the declining moral standards of our time.

You may love the game, but you're ruining it. :rolleyes:

[shutupandshave]

YOU PISS THAT ALL AWAY THE SECOND YOU JUMP INTO A CROWD AND BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF A GUY!

Agreed

[eXoRciSt]

And something else embarrasing, Latrell Sprewell saying he cant feed his family on a 9 million dollar sallery.

Well, i can see that because of every player having a huge mansion and lots of cars, and if im correct a 9 mill, dollar sallery isnt that much in the NBA,

BUT COME ON,

Dont say you cant feed your family, look at the poeple in iraq!

[Karmashock]

bitches... if anyone said that outside of profession sports in even a semiserious sort of way everyone would just walk away from the prick in disgust.

Stop protecting them.

[/<yle]

if you have 9 million dollars, you are rich, and dont have to ever work again if you ration your money correctly.