I am so scared...

[Shackled Phoenix]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/02/brain.dish/index.html

Is this really a good thing?

[MVB]

Anyone ever play the game Mission Force: Cyberstorm?

http://www.primagames.com/games/images/wht_pftg/76151574/f11.jpg

You created half-human organic brain-people to pilot HERCS from the Earthsiege/Starsiege universe. ITS COMING TO LIFE FOR REAL OMG GG

actually, this kinda freaks me out; I mean, it's cool that they can do that, but it's a bit odd

ON the other hand, if you can cause a brain to continue to function with just liquid stasis material and electrical impulses, we've got the beginnings of a way to perpetuate a human life for hundreds of years.

[Larsson7]

Excellent. We are close to having our own Karen S'Jet now

All we need is a badass fleet and we are set woowoo!!

[Ummon]

As long as it's rat cells, the behaviour is not going to be intelligent, but it's going to be adaptive, and efficient like an animal, for sure.

Living beings are fallible, though, so it's going to need a lot of fail-safe mechanisms. Never use these with weapons, would be my suggestion.

I guess simulated brains are far better for that purpose.

[00025]

Scenario:
Ratbrain in bomber jet. Bomber carries nukes. Rat sees cat. Its payback time! :lol:

[Ummon]

Indeed! But I guess Stealth will call it spam. :p

[tom]

Pfft, thats not spam.

[|AiTd|-Shepherd]

This is a great Thread! :rofl:

[/<yle]

Those brains need a killswitch... so we can turn them off.

[Karmashock]

CYBORGE RATS!

[tom]

PH33R!

But seriously...

I don't like the whole idea of artificial intelligence. At least put them in soft squishy suits like we have, so they can be dealt with handily should they go Matrix on us! :)

[MVB]

What happens when the rat pilot gets distracted by a piece of mozarella in Italy, Ummon?

WHAT THEN YOU ITALIAN BASTARD!?!?!?!

wait a minute

...

if I invested in a nuke-piloting ratbrain ... and ... put large ... chunks of cheese in every country I wanted to blow up;

OMGs!!!111!!11one

[tom]

MVB, this is your first warning. Cease the spamming or you will be removed from the Command.

Thank you.

[/<yle]

Stealth, stop being a communist bastard and let the boy spam a bit... its perfectly healthy for him. He needs to experience life a bit, and this is a healthy way for him to do it. b@stard!

[Karmashock]

Why not score a metal body?... I'd go for it.

[vacio]

omg, it's commie mutant rats! mvb, report to termination booth 3vab now!

(for reference http://www.paranoia-live.com)

[MVB]

*places large clump of cheese on vacio's head*

[tom]

This thread is off-topik

[MVB]

Stealth, I think you should stock up on large quantities of mozzarella.

I hear there's brains being made out of rat neurons placed on electrodes!!!!11oneoneoneone

there, back on topic

[Karmashock]

seriously, a metal body would rule... we all get old and what usually kills us is that our organs start fucking up our blood chemistry. The human heart and brain do very well into old age... but our livers, kidneys, etc tend to be increasingly crappy... A cyborg body could keep you going for decades after a human body would have given up... and this is to say nothing of having replacable limbs, and upgradable peices...

a cyborg body would rule so hard... I want one...

[tom]

Yea but what about that warm touch, initimacy, etc?

[Karmashock]

i'd have an orgasm button... with a volume intensifier...


You’d likely give up most of that in the transfer, though theoretically you could remake all of those pieces and put sensors on them that stimulated the right part of the brain.


The body is already a robot for our brains… and our brains just house our minds.

If you could make a computer that had the same power of the human brain or more, I would even go so far as to accept that as a new host.
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But back to computers made of rat brains, that sort of thing is the future… genetically engineered computers… You could hybridize them with livestock during the maturation process… you feed one animal, then harvest the brain, meat, and skin.

That would own…

[/<yle]

but what if you are aflicted by ahlztiemrs and whatnot. then your truely fucked.

[Karmashock]

that stuff typically caused by failing organs... Heart disease is also caused by other organs not doing their fucking jobs. The brain and the heart are just more noticeable when they stop working...

one of my better friends is a medical student now... he likes to rant about this stuff...

[Ummon]

The french have 70 different types of typical cheese but we have 310!

Mozzarella, pfft!

Try some Raschera instead, you uncivilized American barbarian!

Jokes aside, it's a widely known fact that rats only eat emmenthal, haven't you watched Tom & Jerry when you were a kid? The cheese always had holes in it.

[/<yle]

its... just.... CHEESE!

[Ummon]

The nuke armed flying rat might not be in agreement! Start running for your life Kyle, you better!

[Karmashock]

I would so have it write my papers....

Squeek squeek squEEK, sqUeek squeek.

[00025]

I would like to be Cyborg like the guys in Ghost in the Shell because they could still feel like a human (so I wouldnt need that orgasm button).

[Karmashock]

my giant japanese robot is taller and more gay looking then your giant japanese robot!

[FluxX]

LOL!!

Back on topic (cos I am a boring geek! :D).

It learnt to fly a plane!!!

I seriously doubt it did that, and they are using hyperbole or similar.

I suspect it learnt to output the correct caculation ect. Or it learnt to repeat the signal it was given (flight training) and use that.

It is still a very good step forward. Last I heard was they were using snail brain cells to caculate a math problem.
So this is a massive step forward.

Also, it shows the true power of the brain. People often say "computers are much better/faster than a brain". And while they are "faster" your brain basically works like 100 billion slightly slower pcs (brain cells).

"If you think about your brain, and learning and the memory process, I can ask you questions about when you were five-years-old and you can retrieve information. That's a tremendous capacity for memory. In fact, you perform fairly simple tasks that you would think a computer would easily be able to accomplish, but in fact it can't."

Its not the amount of information here (although the capacity is massive, and there seems to be no limit to how much you can study and learn) but how quickly your brain can search through it to get the memory. A PC can take ages to search up information. So long, that the FBI (or CIA, whichever does personal info on people) baought some massive ram drives at a cost of millions, as they can no longer cope with and search all the info they have stored.

So, I don't fear the Terminator, but the Cyborg!

[Ummon]

If a bee brain can fly a bee (and let me tell you, bee brains or better group of ganglia are insignificant things), an artificial 100000 cell brain can fly a plane. It's mostly a matter of learned algorythms (eg. synaptic links between cells).

[FluxX]

I don't mean it like that...

I know real brains can learn ect.

But I don't know how "randomly" connected cells "learn".

Would they not have random connections? (IE like random wires in a pc, would do nothing...).

I do however realise they can input/output.

But as you said, its learned algorythms. Just interested how they are taught/learn these.
IE what inputs/outputs did the little diodes give.

Basically, how complicated the caculations were. Are we looking at a pocket caculator here (which is what I expect) or a mini pc?

[edit]
On a side note, Bionics and Cyborgs are already possible, I mean they have remote controlled cockroaches!

[Ummon]

Neurons develop their connections randomly, but only efficacious (eg. useful for survival) connections are reinforced, the rest "die out". Nervous tissue is INCREDIBLY flexible. That's why we learn new procedures and methods.

[KWK man]

AHHH! everytime a threat is issued to Kyle I jump for my name is also Kyle

*cartmans voice*

what are you doin kyle

just wait and youll hear me do it on the mic


ANYWHO, on topic, kinda, why did the choose rats, I mean they arent that smart, they get caught in wooden blocks with big ass red letters that say 'MOUSE TRAP" on them and also sticky boards, which are very hard to remove from socks, I know this due to an unwarned walk in the atic. yea not real fun