Sex?

[Xcellsi0r]

I'm curious as to know what people think about sex?
No, not if you like it....... But what are your views on say, underage sex, before marriage etc etc. Do you think it's wrong for 2 people who are say 17 or 18 to have sex while obviously at their age are not married or do you think it's acceptable under certain conditions or situations.

[Critta]

Sex is a very personal thing, IMO as long as the two people involved are properly informed, thier bodies have reached the stage where they are ready to have sex and most importantly - want to have sex with each other, I don't have a big problem with it.

[Xcellsi0r]

Do you think that people should wait til they get older even though they might both want to and be able to. The reason to grow is so that they can make proper judgment etc due to maturity?

[Critta]

Surely you learn by experiencing things? How do you know it's not going to be fine until you've tried?

[Tank0]

the belgian law is perfect in this case for me .


its legal to have sex from age 14 if the partner isnt more then 3 years older.
it is illegal for an adult to have sex with an underage person but the police uses the 3 year rule if the youngest partner is at least 16 ( 16- 19 is allowed , 16 - 33 is illegal )

no sex before marriage is stupid imho , your sexlife is a big part of your marriage if you and your partner dont complement eachother on that part the marriage is doomed

[Papa Smurf]

A good law, sensible,

in the UK its 16, its just a straight limit and it does not work, we have the highest teen pregnancy rate in Europe. YAY one thing we win at

[Wicksy]

Christ. I'm in shock. I actually agree with something Papa said.

Education is the key. We never used to have the highest teen-pregnancy rate in Europe. Now we do. What happened? People became more liberal about it and the education system didn't keep up to compensate.

[stats]

the belgian law is perfect in this case for me .


its legal to have sex from age 14 if the partner isnt more then 3 years older.
it is illegal for an adult to have sex with an underage person but the police uses the 3 year rule if the youngest partner is at least 16 ( 16- 19 is allowed , 16 - 33 is illegal )

no sex before marriage is stupid imho , your sexlife is a big part of your marriage if you and your partner dont complement eachother on that part the marriage is doomed


that is a good law. ours are stupid. btw tank - i like that bit at the end of ur sig :\

[Tank0]

yup yup i stole it for a good cause , consider me the lsc robin hood ;)


teen pregnancy isn t the problem , the support system is .
educate to prevent it but support teen parents better

there is a reason we become sexual active at that age , we just live longer now than in the beginning so it seems to early .

ban invitro fertilisation and most cases of abortus and begin using the adoption system again

[stats]

I dont agree in banning abortion atall - thats stupid, they arent even viable until x amount of weeks - although i'm abit iffy about the no' of weeks limit, i'm not sure when thier brains fire up - it's pretty early - but not as early as some pro-lifers would have you believe. Not in favour of exterminating a concious being. but until their brain does fire up, a fetus is little more than a cancer.

and u could have atleast quoted me tacc0 :shens:

[Wicksy]

until their brain does fire up, a fetus is little more than a cancer.
That's a bit harsh. Actually its very harsh. Too harsh. I don't agree with that at all.

I agree abortion should never be banned:

a) in order to reduce over-population. The world's population is far far too high.
b) to reduce unwanted pregnancies, which can lead to suffering for the child. I don't care about the parents... usually its their own fault. However the child doesn't have a say in the matter. Although women can still get pregnant even if they're on the pill - I wouldn't consider that the parents fault. Also pregnancy through rape is not uncommon, and the woman should have a choice to abort. She has enough to deal with as it is.

[stats]

If you knew a bit more about it wicksy, you wouldnt disagree - as harsh as it sounds.

[Tank0]

That's a bit harsh. Actually its very harsh. Too harsh. I don't agree with that at all.

I agree abortion should never be banned:

a) in order to reduce over-population. The world's population is far far too high.
b) to reduce unwanted pregnancies, which can lead to suffering for the child. I don't care about the parents... usually its their own fault. However the child doesn't have a say in the matter. Although women can still get pregnant even if they're on the pill - I wouldn't consider that the parents fault. Also pregnancy through rape is not uncommon, and the woman should have a choice to abort. She has enough to deal with as it is.
that to me is the most stupid thing i have ever read !
( and i ve been here for more then a year including the demon spamfest )

a)
before you use abortion as a contraceptive ban IVF ( later cloning ) first , there are thousands of couples who want children and cant have them (medical problems, gay couples ) . I am sure they would take real good care of the adoptive children .
b)
if you dont care about the parents think of the human being inside , if you dont want the child to suffer maybe you shouldnt suck their brains out.
calling them a cancer is harsh but even in a rape case i wouldn t allow abortion , put the kid up for adoption , all life is sacred and you are killing half of your genes too . i thought just like you a few years ago but after i held my newborn son i can t even begin to think to kill such a wonder .
c)
there arent to much people on this planet we are just behind in our expanse , implement more modern farming and get into space , until then reduce the birthlimit to two kids a couple ( do the math 2 persons produce 2 new people = status quo )
d)
if we in the west reduce our numbers alone it is just a matter of time before the poor areas will overrun our countries and we lose all our ancestors have worked and killed for ( new dark ages )

[Foree]

Sex is something I always enjoyed and never regreted, since almost every time I was doing it with a chick that I AT LEAST really liked. That's why I think if people love each other they should be allowed to have sex no matter what. Of course cheating is something totally different here.

And abortion - I'm yes and no. Yes, cuz it helps the idiots that made a 'mistake' which would be pregnancy, especially stupid teens. No, because I'm catholic, and this bans abortion. And of my private opinion - I think a embryo IS a human being and killing it would be the same like killing an adult.

[stats]

hmmm... This is going to degrade into a religous argument - i can feel it.

Until a baby is self aware, it is nothing more than a bunch of cells leaching from the host or the mother... It really isnt. and saying life is sacred is silly. unless you want to start photosynthesising...

Banning invitro is stupid and calling it cloning is even more stupid. These people go for invitro because they want a child of their own. You can do it by taking a sperm from the male and an egg from the female of the couple and you then vertilize the egg with the sperm by hand and implant it into the womans womb. This gets around a whole load of fertility problems and gives the couple a child of their very own. Cloning has absolutely nothing to do with it atall and the word in noway applies what so ever.

Adoption isn't always for the best because the trauma of carring a baby to term would be devestating in many cases and in it's self would ruin a young persons life or even an older woman with a career infront of her.

[Tank0]

you misunderstood me , i would ban ivf now and later on cloning when they get it to work,i know ivf isnt cloning,cmon stas give me some credit.


when does a soul enter a body ? dont know , well me neither so why risk it .

does a single cell organisme live? yes so i respect all life from the moment a single cell exists. i dont even crush an anoying fly


do you really think abortion doesn t leave a trauma ?

[Wicksy]

that to me is the most stupid thing i have ever read !
If that's true, then you must've lived a very sheltered life. But the fact that "you used to think just like me" proves that it isn't the most stupid thing you've ever read, coz you used to think the same thing.

a) before you use abortion as a contraceptive ban IVF ( later cloning ) first , there are thousands of couples who want children and cant have them (medical problems, gay couples ) . I am sure they would take real good care of the adoptive children .
I never said I wasn't against IVF. I'm in favour of anything that reduces the global population, because the global population is a huge problem.

b) even in a rape case i wouldn t allow abortion , put the kid up for adoption , all life is sacred and you are killing half of your genes too .
Why should the woman carry a child borne out of rape? What about her rights, her life and her choice?

i thought just like you a few years ago but after i held my newborn son i can t even begin to think to kill such a wonder .
That's your opinion and I respect it. I happen to disagree with you with regards to abortion, however.

there arent to much people on this planet we are just behind in our expanse , implement more modern farming and get into space , until then reduce the birthlimit to two kids a couple ( do the math 2 persons produce 2 new people = status quo )
Sorry, you're wrong. There are more people on this planet than the planet can sustain. The population must be reduced, before we see suffering on a scale you cannot imagine.

if we in the west reduce our numbers alone it is just a matter of time before the poor areas will overrun our countries and we lose all our ancestors have worked and killed for ( new dark ages )
I don't think we in the West are the only ones who should reduce our population. It's a global responsibility, on a par with reducing carbon emissions. Reducing the population would reduce carbon emissions drastically, because over-population is one of the root causes of excessive carbon emissions.

[stats]

You eat tank0. and like i said this is getting religous. and imo there is no such thing as a soul. (and sorry, didnt mean to patronise - misinterpreted you)

Wicksy - i dont think there is more people on the planet than it can sustain atall. With the technology the west posesses the planet could sustain double tripple or quadruple the amount of people it has. However, i see why u think overpopulation is a problem... but if you have another look at your population geography history notes you will see that the population boom in developing countries is just another stage of there evolution and will stabilize. However you could argue that due to western advancements the latter stage of the developing countries evolution will be bypassed as we give them medical technology and industry (like call centres) to sustain they're inflated population... dunno much about it tbh though. Also again due to western technology, these inflated populations are using energy resources that europe didnt have during it's developement (im missing america because u folks leap frogged a large chunk of that - which is a good thing)... also create problems...

Actually though wicksy - britain is in danger of becoming underpopulated with workers and over populated with elderly that cannot work, inferstructure... strain etc etc... blah - if you believe what they tell you.

Quote all of my post wicksy and ill shave your mums head.

[Tank0]

i ll give you one point , demon wrote some sillier things in the past sorry got carried away .

our planet can sustain many more people than it does now , i cant speak for the US ( karma pointed that out ;) ) but we in europe have a surplus of food every year .

imho opinion abortion is only allowed if the life of the mother is in danger , if the mother has no chance then the kid should get the priority .

of couse women have rights but so do the unborn kids

global population will drop automaticly , remember how aids is decimating africa , one serious sars epidemic or a tsunami like on xmas does reduce numbers too , we have yet to see the effects of mad cow disease and so on

i think that reducing factory and car emissions would have a larger impact on carbon rates .

yes stats i eat ( even meat again after my docter said i risked irreparable damage to my body ) , yes i clean so i kill single cell organismes but i take the "harm none , do as you will " very serious untill the point i risk harming myself .

i respect your opinions i just wanted to express my beliefs in this debate

no worries it s all <3

[Juggalo]

Im at school at the moment. I'll put in my 2 cents when I get home. Some people I have talked to know what it can lead to. not a fun experience....

[Karmashock]

I generally think it's taken too lightly and that the consiquences of taking it so lightly will happen very slowly with fairly harsh results.

I don't think people should be stopped or punished... but I do believe in strong social taboos.

[Bentusi]

I'm in favor of letting people learn from their mistakes really.

[Xcellsi0r]

Cloning was mentioned and I think it was tank0. He said he'd disagree with it, well start disagreeing cause it's either UK or US that got the licence to clone embryo's within the last 2 or 3 weeks. But that should be in a separate thread. Sticking to the point, I agree that people should learn from their mistakes, and it's extremely to do so because then you don't make the mistake again, but in the case of pregnancy, there's no 2nd chance, you have a kid, you have a kid. A question I'd like to also ask the person who mentioned, I got a pathetic short term memory but what was it like to hold your newborn child man?? crazy!

[Juggalo]

But what are your views on say, underage sex, before marriage etc etc. Do you think it's wrong for 2 people who are say 17 or 18 to have sex while obviously at their age are not married or do you think it's acceptable under certain conditions or situations.
Well, now that I fucked up, and got my ex pregnant, I now realize, DO NOT have under age sex unless you are ready for the possible out come. Kinda sad that I just thought of the shit that could happen, after it happened.

[Tank0]

my wife was so exhausted from giving birth that the doctor gave my son to me after i cut the cord . the first thing my kid saw was my face ( yikes ;) )


how s it like ?

nothing can describe it but i am gonna try in gameterms .

i had reached a moment in life where everything was "done that" but when my son was born it was like i finished the game and started a second game .
i began looking at everything from a new perspective . all your childhood memories come to your mind again and you begin thinking how to avoid things and make sure your kid experiences all the good things you did .

its a life altering experience , i was a youthleader so i always liked spending times with kids but its like you completed your reason for being , it gives more insight then LSD and it frightens you to adulthood in 0.0001 sec .
the rest of my life he is my top priority
( can t wait to begin gaming with him coop and teaching him to pwn the living daylights out of all the other 8 year olds ;) )



http://www.xs4all.be/~dhooghe/profpic.jpg

[Juggalo]

Cute kid.

You, too. ;)

j/k about you. You scare me, and I don't get scared easy...


*hides in corner*

[JADezimar]

I do not think that the problems cuased by population growth in the us has to do with food or the lack of space. It is more of a government-economy thing. The growing population is a burden, not a good thing.

Far as a fetus, It has been proven that they have feelings in the womb, They react and hide from things such as needles etc. Whether its a full human being is still up to debate, but the fact that its a plane cancer even up to birth is garbage. Ill say let those committ abortion that want to and those that do not, not do it. But do bann partial birth or birth abortions, there is no reason for someone to wait that long to do it.

#2 Far as a soul is concerned, there is too much that science cannot explain, to say there is no soul or some being apart of people, pasts there physical being.

[Tank0]

Cute kid.

You, too. ;)

j/k about you. You scare me, and I don't get scared easy...


*hides in corner*
nah man i am a teddybear , unless they touch my kid or wife
then your life will make the hellraiser series look like a disney movie

[Juggalo]

*continues to hide*

lol

[laserflip]

juggalo, your sig is just plain ridiculous....unbefitting of a freshman:

"Stonerz fuck n still stay high... School iz hell...let's CELEBRATE..we'll rock what's comin next ScBoiz get head... Fuck n bed...Gurlz suck dick... Play a trick... Drink a 40... Get 2 horny... Smoke that weed... Do sum Speed... Birth control... Rock comin next cuz bitches we great cuzz were the class of 2008!!!!! "


Does that even make any fucking sense? not to mention the loads of spelling errors...

[JADezimar]

Thank god it was not my english being attacked for once. :P

[shutupandshave]

Tank0, you're so...... Belgian.

:)

I have seen no evidence that 16week or less foetuses (foetii?) have any more understanding of pain than a cow or a chicken (and personally I would think they have a lot less)... so those that are PRO abortion and aren't vegetarians, you can leave this thread now.

Also pro-war/anti-abortion can also leave this thread.


Tank0, that's a nice description regarding having kids. I have heard that kind of thing before.

Two kids per set of parents = world decline.

I agree with Karma on the whole abortion thing. It is almost like a contraceptive, and that's quite wrong. I DO believe the parents should have the choice though.

[Karmashock]

... I don't think there should be any controls on abortion... I just reserve to right to think less of you if you abuse it.

Social taboo instead of legal prohibition.


If some girl gets raped by someone in her family, she's sure as hell not going to feel comfortable asking for that... It should be controlled with shame... It has to have some control on it and that's all I can think of that is reasonable... making it illegal is not.

[stats]

Suas, your post made no sense =/

[shutupandshave]

what part of it?

[stats]

so those that are PRO abortion and aren't vegetarians, you can leave this thread now.

Also pro-war/anti-abortion can also leave this thread.




that part

[shutupandshave]

I was suggesting that a young unborn child is no different to an animal... and therefore if you want to complain about abortion then you had better be a vegetarian.

Of those vegetarians that remain... none had better be "pro-war" because the whole pro-war lobby doesn't sit so well with the pro-life lobby of the anti-abortionists.