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Karmashock
Feb 8, 2005, @ 08:06 AM
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Anti-Powerfulism
By Uriah Kriegel
02/08/2005
President Bush's State of the Union address made clear that his plans for his second term will focus on two projects: the Greater Middle East Initiative and Social Security overhaul. The response from the other side of the aisle suggests that Democrats plan to spend the next four years fighting back these two projects. What Democrats have not yet offered, however, is an alternative set of projects, which might then be claimed to be better or more worthy of the nation's energy and capital than Bush's.

This is an emerging pattern not only in the Democratic party but in the worldwide political movement of the Left, and not only in the past few weeks but for almost a decade now.

That movement formed originally around anti-globalization activism and was consolidated through the opposition to the Iraq war. Its common thread is a certain kind of anti-Americanism and perhaps more generally a sort of "anti-powerfulism," which can be defined as the instinctual opposition to all who are powerful: the United States in the first instance, but the World Bank, WTO, etc. as well.

Observe that all three platforms -- anti-globalization, anti-war, and anti-Americanism -- are "anti-" platforms. They are all premised on an opposition to something. The worldwide left-wing movement has thus been defined in the past few years in reactive rather than active terms. The essence of the movement has been what it is against, not what it is for.

This is not to say that there have been no ideas within the movement as to what it is for (or at least ought to be for). But such ideas have not been the unifying force behind the movement. By and large, they have been half-baked ideas, and in any case they were never shared by the entire movement. What was shared by the entire movement, and thus defined it as a single, cohesive entity, was its negative platform, not any positive one.

It all started with anti-globalism. The idea was that the globalization trend in world economy was a bad thing. What would be a good thing remained mostly unclear. The only discernible suggestion was that keeping things as they are were -- mostly, keeping protective tariffs at their current levels -- was a good thing. That is, the good thing to do is to conserve the existing order in reaction to the apparent progress of history.

(Ironically, based on conceptual confusion, the anti-globalists were and are prone to describe themselves as anarchists. If they were, they would be the first anarchists to call for more state intervention in private affairs and resist all liberalization and marginalization of the state apparatus.)

The same logic appears in the anti-war and anti-American platforms. The ideas seem to be, respectively, that the war in Iraq is bad and American leadership of the international community is bad. Again, what would be good remains unclear.

Throughout the opposition to the Iraq war, the Left did not offer an alternative set of principles for dealing with destruction-bent despots. The Right had a clear principle, the Bush Doctrine. The Left, by contrast, remained largely -- nay, completely -- silent on what should be done with brutal dictators set on instilling fear and misery among their subjects as well as neighbors.

Likewise, the anti-American front, which is in fact pervasive to all other components of this worldwide movement, has rarely offered an alternative suggestion for world leadership. If the US were to forsake its leadership role in world affairs, who is to take its mantle? The only discernible thought seems to be that the UN is the right body, but of course this cannot be taken seriously as long as a substantial number of UN members represent ruthless regimes largely uninterested in the welfare of their people.

Thus the left-wing movement has become over the past decade a mostly reactive rather than active movement. Positive action has been carried out on the Right, while reactivity became the staple of the Left. We are accustomed to using the labels "conservative" and "progressive" to describe (respectively) the Right and the Left. But over the past decade it has been the Right that pushed toward a certain kind of progression, indeed progress, while the Left has fought to conserve things as they are.

The same pattern is apparently going to characterize the next four years of American politics. President Bush's is not a pair of local pet projects. It is an almost revolutionary program to bring widespread political freedom to the most wretched regions of the earth and an ownership society that stresses individual responsibility and, correlatively, individual freedom to the beacon of the West.

The Democrats' reaction is just that - a reaction. The main theme so far has been to claim that there is no problem with Social Security and there was never a problem with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. The thought is that Mr. Bush is fabricating crises so he can then offer his preconceived ideological cures. More fundamentally, nothing has to be done about anything in particular -- things should be conserved as they are rather than revolutionized.

It is an ironic historical twist we are witnessing. The Right is becoming the force of progress-oriented action, while the Left solidifies its status as the force of conservatively oriented reaction. Very possibly, over the next couple of decades, the Right will attempt to bring democracy and market wealth to humanity at large, while the reactionary Left does its best to oppose all such change.

The author teaches in the philosophy department at the University of Arizona.

Tigre
Feb 8, 2005, @ 03:50 PM
Very good find Karma!! Yes, it makes me ashamed of being a registered Democrat. I always vote for the best man for the job though!!

I have been telling my all too liberal friends all along that what the President is doing will change the face of the geopolitical map in the Mid-East and further. They believe me now.

Too sad, how the Democratic leadership responded to the Presidents State of the Union Address. All complaints but, no real counter-solutions. They are way too back on their collective heels to be effective right now.

The Dark Messenger
Feb 8, 2005, @ 04:06 PM
Pathetic what the left-wing's doing. I wouldn't be too happy if I were right-wing too, because it means you have no real opposition, which means you can theoretically put forth any sort of ridiculous shit you like and still get in power, because your opposition is around as powerful as an insect. Saddening.

stats
Feb 8, 2005, @ 04:55 PM
This is an emerging pattern not only in the Democratic party but in the worldwide political movement of the Left, and not only in the past few weeks but for almost a decade now.

What site did you get this from karma.

After that sentence i decided it was blatant right-wing propaganda btw, almost completely one sided with only token offerings...

come on karma- - you have got to agree?

(i will read the rest later, i'm off home)

Karmashock
Feb 8, 2005, @ 09:03 PM
No, this is very much what I believe. I think these beliefs are KILLING our civilization. I think they will be the downfall of everything we have ever built. To follow them is to give the world to China and Islam... they'll be the only ones with the stomach to lead.

Step back and see where the world will be in a thousand years... look at the trends... look at what has happened to our society with the rise of socialist nihilism... it's fucking pathetic.

JADezimar
Feb 9, 2005, @ 03:13 AM
I would think of it as propaganda too, but the problem is, most non-americans here on these forums spend all there time bashing the united states, let alone defending it any? It is evident that the above article has some validity.

Dibujante
Feb 9, 2005, @ 04:54 AM
"Anti-Powerfulism" is just a shield apologists hide behind to dismiss the actual arguments people make.
You do realize that the World Bank is currently raking in so much interest money from third world countries that they cannot financially sustain themselves? And that the WTO was put into being by fiat? And that the U.S. has been invading countries since its founding?
You pretend that "they hate us because they hate our freedom" or "they hate us because we're powerful" but they really hate you because you've given them reason to hate you.
Regards,
Dibujante

Karmashock
Feb 9, 2005, @ 05:09 AM
This message is hidden because Dibujante is on your ignore list.

hmmm

JADezimar
Feb 9, 2005, @ 06:46 AM
Originally Posted by Dibujante
This message is hidden because Dibujante is on your ignore list.

hmmm

I am not even gonna peak.

stats
Feb 9, 2005, @ 10:12 AM
Do you really think that karma?

Now i dont know an awful lot about econimics, so im not going to try and best you on this subject...

But do you not think we have come a hell of a long way as a people because of whats in place?

I mean; We dont fight wars for the hell of it. We are becoming a more tolerant society. Our technology is advancing faster than it has ever done and it will only get faster...

But we have always had people trying to hold things back, people who oppose things and on the face of it, it may seem like they are in opposition for the hell of it. but when it all comes down to the end of the day - we can see they have played a vital role in ensuring our saftey and freedom.

for instance - i find it incredibly frustrating when i read about people opposed to GM, Cloning and stem cell research. I think that these people do not know what they are talking about... But! it is because of the stuborn opposition of these people that certain aspects of these technologies will come along safely. there will be no jumping into designer babies and a genetic master race while people are writing sci-fi about the evils of such things. There will be no creation of a human clone or a clonal work force (slaves) and GM (while i believe africa is in desperate need of GM crops and organic farming in un-sustainable) will develope more slowly with scientists working to make sure that the genetic enhancements cannot jump species or leak into the natrual environment...

I think the same could be said of economics and ensuring that we are free to make a choice about what brand we buy, who we get our energy from etc etc. And are not controlled by the mega-corporation who we work for and then pay the money back to them for our daily needs (that would make us slaves).

Likewise - while it may seem frustrating, i am positive that the blatant and seemingly unjustified opposition of these people you are talking about will play a major role in making sure that these changes happen more slowly and develope carefully ensuring that no one party/corp/person ends up with unfair control...

Get what i mean?

Ohh took you off ignore to see if you had anything contructive to contribute. I wasnt surprised. But cute sig - i feel sorry for karma, having someone like you idolise him kind of weakens him i think. And your back on ignore now - so dont feel the need to reply.

Karmashock
Feb 9, 2005, @ 01:45 PM
But do you not think we have come a hell of a long way as a people because of whats in place?
You've come a long way because of what WAS in place. You also benifit from a great deal of good will, especially from the US... Think of what would have happened to Europe without the US. WWII was nearly a direct product of this change in european culture.

We are becoming a more tolerant society.
You're becoming objective at the expense of identity. Become too inclusive and you cease to be a people. The US deals with this by indoctrinating new citizens into our culture. This is part of why it is so infectious... it has to be or we would have died long ago.

Our technology is advancing faster than it has ever done and it will only get faster...
But compared to the rest of the world, you're advancing slower then you have in the past. All things are relative. Remember that the world is different then it was.

Europe used to dominate the world... One country from europe could project power accross the globe an change any culture it touched. Today it has a hard time projecting its COMBINED power onto a two-bit dictator in Bosnia. The decline is obvious.

stats
Feb 9, 2005, @ 03:45 PM
I dont see it as a decline. Why do we need to change other cultures? pollute they're way of life with are own morals and values that ONLY work because of the society we live in? It is not good that tibet (spell) now has sky, now the people who would once farm and create their own culture music and so on, these people now idolise western cultures - they make up to make themselves more pale etc. And they dont work as hard as they used too... They leave there rural communities to try and find work in larger cities - and in doing so they become unemplyed and cause damage to the economy to there country? no? (sorry if it's scetchy - im not an economist)

Have no doubt- The EU will step in when dictatorships become to brutal, obviously so. But we dont want too go around telling other countries how to grow. We grew slowly and developed properly as a people. I dont think we can go around forcing what we learned over millenia in a few years. But i dont know - we probably will. But dont think of europe as a dieing civilisation - we are not. We are sleeping dragons, and woe betide anyone who wakes us up without a cup tea and morning sex.

If we are developing slowly compared to other parts of the world - such as china... It is because they are catching up on 200 years of cultural and industrial evolution. China is still undergoing its industrial revolution...

Karmashock
Feb 9, 2005, @ 06:29 PM
Why do we need to change other cultures?
Pollute? No... harmonize. Bring into sync... There is friction and that generates heat and heat kills people.


They leave there rural communities to try and find work in larger cities - and in doing so they become unemplyed and cause damage to the economy to there country? no? (sorry if it's scetchy - im not an economist)
They can't be peasent farmers forever. Change is hard and change hurts. But it makes you stronger. If they didn't want those things then they wouldn't disrupt their world to get them.

The EU will step in when dictatorships become to brutal, obviously so.
I don't think so. They'll just go into protection mode and cover their own lands and nothing else.

But dont think of europe as a dieing civilisation - we are not.
Where are you going? Cultures with a future point to it. Europe just seems to be getting so cynical that you wonder why they go on living... and in time the fabric of the society will break. Europe won't die... but the old system will... perhaps that's for the best.

We are sleeping dragons, and woe betide anyone who wakes us up without a cup tea and morning sex.
... not really. You're noisy... if someone just stops listening to you, I don't think they have anything to worry about. What are you going to do?... jack.

China is still undergoing its industrial revolution...
You're growing slowly - period. The only parts of europe with good growth are the old soviet bits... and ireland. Everything else is in a hase.

Dibujante
Feb 9, 2005, @ 07:19 PM
hmmm
Karma eats poo.
I am not even gonna peak.
JAD eats poo, too.

Dibujante
Feb 9, 2005, @ 07:20 PM
You're growing slowly - period. The only parts of europe with good growth are the old soviet bits... and ireland. Everything else is in a hase.

Former Soviet Europe is doing extremely poorly. The collapse of the USSR lead to record levels of unemployment, and the transition to Capitalism liquidated most of Eastern Europe's industrial assets.
Regards,
Dibujante