Religion.

[JADezimar]

also wounder what kind of role religion plays in his life? The Fundamentalist & Evangelical Christian movements scares me an awful lot in the states, one because they show no tolorance only fear of anything diffrent to their beliefs, two best their leaders are less conered with God, and more concerned about their bank balance, how truely tounched by god are these people.

Not all reiligion is this way, there are several thousands of independant churches, and the pastors and there families practically live poor. You cannot bash all of something anymore than you can bash a race. Those are prejudice words at the leasts. (and in my opinion prejudice is the same as racisms)

I am not defending church, I think it puts to much Religion in the word Religion, I am not defending all religions all have some flaws, I think to a point everything is, including people, countries, ideas, anything. But the above statements were made out of as much ignorance as any other person on these boards making disastrous claims just like the following people Saus (I win all our arguments or a great majority) Suas maybe in your own opinion, but again how do you win arguments that are based on opinions and not all factual evidence? Who decides who wins an argument?

[Tank0]

Who decides who wins an argument?
ME !!!! :nyah:

[shutupandshave]

but again how do you win arguments that are based on opinions and not all factual evidence? Who decides who wins an argument?
Everything is opinion. Everything. There is nothing non-abstract that is absolutely 100% true.

However, when you say things like "you cant talk about religion in the US until you've been regular church attender in America", then I win when you complain about me saying you cant talk about terrorists in Iraq until you've been one.

I think everything we say on these boards are opinions, and being right or wrong is a degree of scale... and where that starts and ends, nobody can be sure. I think people that have been on political forums for a while make it quite clear that those areas are "opinions" when having any discussion.

When someone says something like "there have never been terrorists in America", that's just incorrect. There have been terrorists in America and there have been American terrorists. That does not make America worse than any other country as there are terrorists in almost all countries.

You'll find people point out things that are wrong. If you said "the UK has never done anything wrong" I, and many Brits would be the first to correct you... therefore when you say "the US has never done anything wrong", expect us to correct you there too.

If you then say "well the UK does stuff wrong too" you're just being spiteful. We know the UK has done things wrong, and we are happy to admit that... however
1) that was not what we were discussing
2) we all know you said it just to be spiteful

Anyway, very interesting topic and welcome back to the boards.

I see what you're saying about the religion thing, and I dont really know about evangelicals, but fundementalists and fundementalists, and the statement would certainly hold true there.

You cant complain about someone saying "all the bad people in America are bad", because they're not calling all Americans bad.

The leaders thing, once again, there will be some fantastic honest leaders, however there will also be some very dishonest leaders.

I think the irony here, is that true fundamentalist christians would let people do whatever they wanted to do. A true christian would not have retaliated after September the 11th. They would have prayed for America, and they would have prayed that the Muslims that did this found peace with Jesus, and those that supported it find peace with Jesus.

[Morpheus]

There are opinions and there are definitions. Opinions cannot be right or wrong, they can be accepted or not. But you can prove that something is "right" by definition. 2+2 is always 4, that is right by definition. The difference between math and politics is that math definitions are accepted by everyone, where in politics people argue alot about definitions themsleves. You'd just have to agree with something or not.

[Dibujante]

The divisiveness and subjectivity of religious argument is why the constitution prohibits religious tests for holding office and why the 1st amendment forbids Congress from passing any law respecting religion.
The objectively "correct" response is to recognize that freedom to practice a religion doesn't entail freedom to force it down the throats of others. The head of the Canadian conservative party recently said that he would not oppose a pro-gay marriage bill going through the Canadian legislature because he respects the property rights of gay people and realizes that protection of the one-man-one-woman institution of marriage is a religious issue and that it's up to religious institutions to decide whether or not they'll perform marriage ceremonies for gay people. To boil it down, he just enunciated the religion/state duality: extend civil rights almost to the point where they infringe on religious rights, extend religious rights almost to the point where they infringe civil rights. For anyone with a brain larger than a lima bean it's not complicated.
Regards,
Dibujante

[JADezimar]

However, when you say things like "you cant talk about religion in the US until you've been regular church attender in America", then I win when you complain about me saying you cant talk about terrorists in Iraq until you've been one.

Anyone thats been involved with a few types of religions, and few types of churches, that go read your claims in that thread, will tell you, you cannot take a simple line of scripture and interpret as litterally as you did. So "I Win". anyone interested go read the thread. He thinks an outsider understands church's more than insiders would? They all believe differently, he is trying to tell us they do not.

[shutupandshave]

And anyone that knows about the world realises there is a lot more to terrorism and world politics than "good and evil"...

anyway - how many different types of religions have YOU been involved with?