Football (American) vs. Football (Everywhere Else)

[Justice]

WHICH DO YOU PREFER?

As by popular request from the general discussions forum.

Personally, football (A) keeps me more on my feet than soccer. It's much more exciting because it's play after play after play, whereas soccer is like, "AFTER THIRTY MINUTES, THE SCORE IS STILL ZERO TO ZERO!"

Knock each other senseless.

cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-

[Eadig]

AND THEY HIT EACHOTHER ALOT!!!

:toast:

and I've played both at different times...

American Football is alot more fun to watch AND play...

[Apocalypse]

You have obviously never watched the manchester derby.

Manchester United v Manchester City = Best football match. ever.

[amir]

Exactly theres always riots after game.

[The Dark Messenger]

I'm English. Guess what I voted.

[stats]

score alot in ametuer football, and you can take a football down a part and play it with your mates easily.

In american football where u carry and tackle and dont really use your feet to contact the ball - it's alot of stopping and starting - The fun (from my perspective) in american football is in the sort of strategy/play book thing. doesnt seem like a players game to me...

just mho though. and yes, i've played american football.

[amir]

American football is basically like...
Whoever is heaviest and can bash the other person the hardest is better and with a team like that you win a game.
in my oppinion soccer requirs more skill.

[CELTIC_2X]

You have obviously never watched the manchester derby.

Manchester United v Manchester City = Best football match. ever.

wrong.

Celtic Vs rangers scum!,

THE GREATST FOOTBALL GAME EVER!

just lay down u americane swine, nothing is better than the beutifull game!

Celtic celtic thats the team for me, celtic celtic on to victory!

were the finest team in scotland and i hope that u agree!

Celtic celtic thats the team for me!

[amir]

Yeah in scotland mate ya come into english leagues and get hammered !!!
Up the english !!

[Karmashock]

Football is not about size... players specialize like chess peices. 'some' are supposed to huge blockers... but even the blockers are VERY VERY fast. There are some that are only useful for their speed... there are some that specialize in hitting people (not blocking)... htere are others that specialize in throwing the ball and others that just kick it. You work like an army. Different teams have different strengths. Some are faster, some are better hitters, some are better blockers, etc. Tactics and drive.

In Football you give it EVERYTHING you have during that play... you run until you have a heart attack. You go faster and harder during the play then soccer players go. This is why you stop and this is why you have to change in fresh players often. Human beings can't stay in the game otherwise. You hit each other as HARD as you can when you contact. This is why the pads are worn.

[Tank0]

worldrecord sprint , 100 m = about 9.8 seconds

worldrecord sprint with the ball ( soccer ) , 100 m = about 10.4 seconds

and they stay on the field for 45 minutes without a brake

[Karmashock]

100 m isn't a short sprint... NFL players can do about 4.2s in a 40 yard dash. These are also guys that can bench 500 pounds. These guys are monsters.

[Shackled Phoenix]

I voted soccer, simply because Football players think themselves so badassed and call it the roughest sport ever..... they've apparently never played rugby, lacrosse or hockey. Football players just flat out annoy me.

[Karmashock]

a chick answer...


people like you get sports like tag and dodge ball banned...


nothing but whining since we gave you the vote :D

[Death Durron]

I dunno, I was only involved in cross country and track and field, less painful....well..from a certain point of view... But I would prefer soccer, at least in that sport, I can maybe outmaneuver bigger people whereas in football, I'll probably get clobbered before I get more than ten yards...

[Karmashock]

soccer isn't a clobbering sport...

[amir]

In american football as i said early is like bigest and strongest persons' team wins.
And as phoenix said you americans fink your so badassed cuz you like this rough sport.
God we all know soccer requirs more skill.

[Karmashock]

you clearly don't know shit about football... the Oakland Raiders tend to have the largest and nastiest players... they rarely win... they're never a problem for top teams.

[BIack]

Rugby is much more violent that American Football, and we dont have pansy armour to protect us :)

You cant argue with this, because even Friends (tm) agrees lol

Ross got his ass kicked yay!

Johna Lomu or however he is spelt, is an absolute giant. He twats aside players like they were midgets, terrifying!

[shutupandshave]

You do realise we get major bone cracking injuries in Rugby too, but the reason we have photo's of people with nosebleeds is because most rugby players are always bleeding.

Really.

You really think that when you represent your country, you're not going to hit a player as hard as you can? The only difference, I think is that Rugby players tend to hit each other with more momentum more often due to the pace of the game.

Incidently, I would compare US Football with Rugby, and Baseball with Soccer.

[shutupandshave]

Now, I am not saying that US football is a pansy sport, I dont believe it... I think it's hard hitting. I think it's more anaerobic that aerobic, however there's nothing wrong with that.

However, I take offense (as a former rugby player for my county) that it is not hard -hitting, especially from people that have never played it properly.

http://wesclark.com/rrr/wilko-tackle.jpg
http://wesclark.com/rrr/bok_high_lineout.jpg
http://wesclark.com/rrr/tenpin.html
http://wesclark.com/rrr/tasty.jpg
http://wesclark.com/rrr/punch_in_the_face.jpg
http://wesclark.com/rrr/bendy_knee.jpg
http://wesclark.com/rrr/eye_gouge.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39513000/jpg/_39513412_tackle_ap.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/rugby/images/pics/00season/hogfestv00/hogfestv3.jpg
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/2002/county/images/ulster_mfl/Rugby-Tackle-Carlin.jpg

If you want to know who would win if the best American Football team played the best Rugby team, at Rugby. The Rugby team.
If the best Rugby team played the best US football team at football, the football team.

If 15 of each team had a fight? Who knows.

[Karmashock]

you don't know what you're talking about. Football didn't use to have pads... but the injuries and DEATHS caused a public outcry. The sport was going to get banned.

Rugby doesn't need pads because its never had such sever and common injuries.



We know this sport, you clearly do not.

Love and peace, Karmashock.

[Tank0]

i ve played soccer for 5 year until a knee injury stopped me frm competing .

a few years later i was stubborn enough to do the tryouts for a local rugby club , 35 minutes in training my knee made some really nasty sounds .

a good friend of mine is part of the amsterdam Amercian Football team .
( http://www.admirals.nl/ )
but we both agree that australian football is the ugliest sport out there .

a qoute from the AFL site ( http://www3.visitvictoria.com.au/displayObject.cfm/ObjectID.000E976C-D59E-1A63-88CD80C476A90318/vvt.vhtml )
The first steps were far from tentative. On 31 July 1858, a practice match was arranged in Richmond Paddock near the MCG. There were few rules, just men determined to have a kick. Some had experience of football rules from English public schools, some had no football experience at all.

On the same day, Melbourne Grammar School played football against a group of men who called themselves the St Kilda club and the lack of rules caused a fight that ended the game.

The next week, Melbourne Grammar played Scotch College under modified Rugby School rules. The game lasted over three weekends, August 7, August 21 and September 4, without a goal being scored.

yes Karma you know it all , instead of getting some experiences of your own you try to enforce your believes (that you ve been told ) on others

[shutupandshave]

Actually what happened, is that most of the dangerous tactics were banned because of the injuries. There is debate as to whether the pads increase or decrease injury.

Rugby doesn't use pads cos we outlawed the banned tactics a long time, but and at the time decided not to use pads.

As for not knowing what I am talking about, I seriously doubt you could name 5 rugby players off the top of your head or 5 rugby teams...

[Karmashock]

yes Karma you know it all , instead of getting some experiences of your own you try to enforce your believes (that you ve been told ) on others
actually, i'd just reverse that statement.

DEATHS! Football was going to be BANNED! That is the ONLY reason pads were introduced. So why don't American rugby players wear pads then?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

that's a tough one... *continues sarcastic silence*

[MVB]

American football is highly aerobic ... there's a reason they need the pause between plays, and take a look at even the ones in flawless physical shape to realize how much they exert themselves.

As for the hitting issue, Rugby is played by smaller people. Smaller people have less chance of killing each other on impact. 'Nuff said, if you will.

If rugby players were as physically impressive as american football players, they'd probably be wearing pads in the future as well.

[shutupandshave]

Karma:
The pads were introduced as well as many other measures. The other measures were sufficient, and were similar to the measures introduced into Rugby. In both sports the rules changed similarly, with the exception of pads. There are an equal number of injuries in both I imagine. The pads hurt other people, and they protect from hurt. They cancel each other out for the most part. Please understand that there were other rule changes, mostly outlawing aggressive tactics that were the cause of less death.

MVB:
Aerobic is continuous exercise, anerobic is small highly active bursts of exercise which require rests. Sprinting is anaerobic... US Football players sprint then stop for a break, Rugby players sprint then jog for a break. US football is played by bigger people? Please prove that to me...

http://www.rfu.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/RFUHome.England_Detail/StoryID/7293
There are some average team sizes to get you started.

Oh wait, I might as well look at some US football teams while I'm at it.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/rosters/WAS

So it seems that US football players are in fact, about the same size as rugby players.

Edit: MVB, smaller people also have a higher chance of getting killed if they are on the field with big people. Your argument is flawed, because there are people on the rugby field that are just as large as football players... therefore they would all be getting killed if your statement were true.

[Papa Smurf]

I play Rugby its a fantastic game, where else can you punch people full on in the face or when they are laid down stamp on thier heads with inch long studs, god i love it. best bit is alot of it is still legal in Rugby your just have to be able to justify it (well apart from the blatent punches, but in the tight who the hell knows who is punching who, certainly not the ref. And at the end of the game we are all friends again. Then the real sport begins as the drink gets underway, YAY!

Unless you have put a few in hospital.

how does the old saying go:

Rugby is a thugs game played by gentlemen, football is a gentlemens game played by thugs.

[CELTIC_2X]

i love rugby great fun to play,

but football is my life, nothing can beat it 4 me.

PS, angel mate we got belamy FUCKING AWSOME!

UP THE CELTS!

[shutupandshave]

As I have said, I prefer Rugby, but I can understand why people love American football...

I think claims like "rugby players are well harder than football players" and vice versa are nonsense.
Disagreeing that rugby is more flowing that US football is just wrong
Making comments such as rugby players are smaller than US football players is just wrong. I dont like it when you make things up to prove your points MVB. We've fallen out over it before, mostly because you dont admit you were wrong, you just disappear from a thread... please lets not go back there again.

[Skjold]

I've watched both sports, and I have to say, for long-term bodily effects, american football is by far the toughest sport. On a single play, you can break half the bones in your body, at any position. I think American Football players have a very good conditioning process, which is why injuries don't keep them out nearly as long as they would a normal athlete. Which is why I believe some people seem to think American Football isn't "tough".

My aunt, who is english, born and raised in Sheffield, watched rugby or football or what have you her entire life, came here, watched last year's playoff game between our Carolina Panthers and the St. Louis Rams, and said she has never seen a more competitive, tough, challenging sport, both mentally and physically.

Too many people see American football as a bunch of big lugs duking it out and the team with the biggest guys wins. And that's NEVER true. A big, tough power running back will get you the tough yards, but a speedy, slippery back will break for big gains way more often. Sure, a 250 pound wide reciever is hard to bump and tackle, but how fast is he going to run in comparison to a guy who's 150 pounds?

Football is a very complex, draining sport. Those pads and such make playing in hot weather a nightmare, and people who watch Rugby don't seem to realize that. Football players very commonly play in conditions of up to 100 degrees, sometimes more. Or they play in below zero, in snow, whatever. Football players *are* a tough bunch, and there isn't a single sport i'm more proud to follow.

I almost forgot. Out of all the sports, football players are most definately the "iron men". One of Carolina's players this year, I believe it was Doug Brzenzski, broke his hip half way through the game, continued to play and never actually realized it. Football players keep playing with injuries that would make most of us curl up and die. Tony Gonzalez played almost the entire season with some serious ankle issues and he's a Tight End. Which means on any play, he may have to run, catch, or block. And blocking is mostly about foot and hand work. So football players are tough.

[Abyss]

Perfer Football to watch on TV but soccer to play.

[amir]

you don't know what you're talking about. Football didn't use to have pads... but the injuries and DEATHS caused a public outcry. The sport was going to get banned.

Rugby doesn't need pads because its never had such sever and common injuries.



We know this sport, you clearly do not.

Love and peace, Karmashock.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Thats bullshit.
you CANNOT say there are not comon inhuries in rugby.
as you said yourself.
we know the sport.
you dont

[allied56]

amir is right,
karma knows jackshit about rugby and hes pretending he does HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa, and we england players are the bes in the world at rugby HAHAHAHAHA, shitty american football, stealing our game (rugby) and our name (football normal footbal not american) putting two together and making rugby with a different name, and a few rule changes. Make a new sport then call it your own

[amir]

Exactly

[allied56]

looks like soccers winning what you americans got to say to that?

[laserflip]

100 m isn't a short sprint... NFL players can do about 4.2s in a 40 yard dash. These are also guys that can bench 500 pounds. These guys are monsters.


hey, thats my time for the 40!

[Justice]

That's because there are more Europeans voting than the Americans.

Duh.

cheers, and
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[amir]

meaning more people like soccer muhahaha !

[Justice]

No, meaning there are more Europeans on these forums.

OR, the Europeans care more, supporting one of the AMERICAN arguments that the soccer fans are 50x more hardcore than the players are.

Either way, you lose.

cheers, and
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[Shackled Phoenix]

A girls answer? please. I always play football with the boys, including twice where I played, in full pads and helmet, with my highschool football team after practice (i could outrun them all muahahahaha). Yes, it's a fairly rough sport, but fuck, it hurts a whole lot fucking more when i play hockey, and we don't even have boards to slam people against. While i've never personally played rugby, i did watch it quite a bit while in japan, and it is most definately a rougher sport, AND they don't act all big and macho like every football player i've ever met has. One reason they don't kill each other in rugby, is because they don't get paid 30 million fucking dollars a year. It's not worth it to lay out totally cheap shots on a guy and then have the rest of his team out to freaking kill you.

And hockey is waaaaaay more rougher than football, because the momentum of a 250 pound guy, moving at speeds of up to 30 MPH (segei federov has been clocked at 32) slamming you up against a wall, is alot worse than anything a running guy can do. And yes, the walls have give to them, if they didn't every check would result in broken ribs.

Football would be awesome, if people didn't act like it was soo much rougher and harder than it actually is.

oh, and i'll have you know, i loved dodgeball.

almost forgot. Out of all the sports, football players are most definately the "iron men". One of Carolina's players this year, I believe it was Doug Brzenzski, broke his hip half way through the game, continued to play and never actually realized it. Football players keep playing with injuries that would make most of us curl up and die. Tony Gonzalez played almost the entire season with some serious ankle issues and he's a Tight End

not proof. I've watched kirk maltby take a 90 mile an hour puck to the eye, finish his shift on the ice, stick an ice pack on it, have the team trainer stitch it up between periods, play the rest of the game, then discover he had a massive concussion. I've watched Steve yzerman have surgery on both knee's which doctors said would prevent him from playing hockey again, then he comes back the following season, takes TWO slashes across the back of both knee's (i'm talking flagrant two handed WHACKS, intended to injure, the guy was suspended for it), and get up chasing the play back to the opposite end of the ice, not to mention remaining one of the core players of the detroit redwings for the entire season..
Chris draper took a hit in the playoffs that sent him to the hospital for 2 months, had his jaw wired shut for 4, and was back in uniform before the next preseason. Darren Mcarty was once counted to have 39 seprate bruises and 27 stitches, and he considered himself in perfect playing form.

oh, and as for the deaths in football... there have been deaths caused by playing tennis and golf too.... does that make them rough sports?

[CELTIC_2X]

fuck off u cunt just b/c u play the game over there and we dont play yours doesnt meen shit,

u dont no wat football is about, u dont no wat it meens u just dont no a fucking thing, i no that theres no passion in usa football, or at least nothing in comparison to wat wee feel here.

u just dont hav a fucking clue but u think u do b/c u hav the sport there, and u gotta remeber theres a shit load of US telly over so i no aboot and hav watched ur sport and it doesnt apeal to me,

u say u win? do u fuck.

[Shackled Phoenix]

are you talking to me celtic?

[CELTIC_2X]

no darling, i was talkin to jucy and who ever else u posted that when i was writing mine.

[Divine Intervention]

omg, wat the fuck do you mean a.k.a soccer, wat is this? Its fucking called football, fuckin americans. Football is the fucken best sport in the world and ripes shitty 'american football' all they fucken do is spend half of the match, talkin and doin tactics and shit not actualy playing - that is fuckin boring. Now british football, that is the best in the world , it has every thing and is pure intertainment, and the best thing about it is the fact it is so unpredictable (except fucking Chelsea with that roman bastard shithead) and to play football requires much more skill than american football, were u just go round fuckin hitting each other.

Well wat im trying to say is football 'soccer' (gays) is easily the best sport of the 2, and that americans are a bunch of fuckin gays.

I would also like to mention that i am writting this, just after watching the arsenal - man u (2-4) and am a arsenal suporter

[Shackled Phoenix]

Wow. a poll about two sports, and you manage to still flame my whole country... especially after some of us (myself included) voted the same as you. You really must be retarded. You say american football uses tactics... yet doesn't require skill? i'm confused how that works...


Seriously, let's take pride in our countries favorite sport, but we flame each others countries enough in the current events forum, let's leave it out of here except in jest.


PS. anyone have any frikken clue what retarded was talking about in that last sentence?

[CELTIC_2X]

u wouldnt no aboot it,

u dont no about it, nothing on how it afects a person,

his team (arsenal) was beaten by rivals (manchester utd) and it has most likely cost them the title,

but u don thav a fucking clue aboot that, he doesnt meen wat he said aboot the hateing all of the usa,

just hes a bit pissed as well hahahhaha,

but hes right, our football is better.

[Justice]

I think this should be moved to the political forum.

cheers, and
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[laserflip]

omg, wat the fuck do you mean a.k.a soccer, wat is this? Its fucking called football, fuckin americans. Football is the fucken best sport in the world and ripes shitty 'american football' all they fucken do is spend half of the match, talkin and doin tactics and shit not actualy playing - that is fuckin boring. Now british football, that is the best in the world , it has every thing and is pure intertainment, and the best thing about it is the fact it is so unpredictable (except fucking Chelsea with that roman bastard shithead) and to play football requires much more skill than american football, were u just go round fuckin hitting each other.

Well wat im trying to say is football 'soccer' (gays) is easily the best sport of the 2, and that americans are a bunch of fuckin gays.

I would also like to mention that i am writting this, just after watching the arsenal - man u (2-4) and am a arsenal suporter


the name certainly fits - you are a retard. go back to where you came from you filthy imcompetent euro. soccer is by no means hardcore, tough, or ANYTHING like that. its on the same level as baseball and cricket and shit, whatever cricket is.

Bye thu whey, eye am just treying to sayy thit yoo shud kunsidder mayking gud grammer in next thyme yew powst heer;'":/.,.!/.";';

[CELTIC_2X]

fuck you, nazi cunt hes my mate,

i hope u come over here one day and take a kicking for bing a cunt,

fucking pussy.

[stats]

I think this should be moved to the political forum.

cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-


lol

I dont think you can compare football to american... and to be honesti dont know how you can call american football, football - i just dont understand that bit atall.

You can compare american football to rugby, but only loosely... i mean, rubgy is a sport of players and american football is a sport for tactitions, imo (and by that - i mean the coaches and captian, the people who write the play books) american football is a war game imo, its a chess game played with people. and i dont find it very interesting, i mean ill play chess and quite like beating people at it - but i wouldnt want to be a chess peace. You can rant and rave all you like about how the american football players are superb physical specimens... it reaks of the roman empire and the body beautiful to me, but rant all you like...

The question that puzzles me, and it does - seriously puzzle me is why did americans create there own sport when they are europeans who would have been brought up on football and ruby and gaelic football and hocky and shinty (shinty is a scottish/northen irish game, its like hocky - only you beat the living shite out of eachother, and ur trying to hit the oponent in the face with the ball more often than not.i used to play that when i was a kid and i loved it!!!.)

imo rugby is the best sport - followed by football, followed by american football with cricket trailing behind whatever other sport u want to throw in there in any particular order. Based on fun to play and fun to watch.

Mind you celtic and ur pall - i think football is full of nancyboy towny twats singing prancing and trying to be mean to eachother and getting away with it without hurting there pretty faces... but i'd sooner watch it that american football. But rugby is a game that i respect. (although the amount of fights i;'ve had with the uni rugby team is stupid, i smacked the captain for trying to eat my girlfreinds face once, he was a ball-less wimp - but on the whole, good guys)

[shutupandshave]

I agree with justice, that all the poll shows is that there are more Football (soccer) playing nations on the boards, however I hope that demonstrates that there are a lot of people outside of the world that enjoy other sports... and so giving competitions names like "the world series" is a huge joke in the rest of the world

[The Fell Hand]

silly forum going down...

I enjoy both sports, both playing and watching. While they're completely different, to each his own I guess. Personally I think soccer's the greatest sport, followed closely by hockey, being Canadian. I watched Young and Rice all the time as a kid, and likewise the european soccer stars. I never was quite built enough to play american football at a level of brutality where it required pads, but few things could match being that wide receiver everyone had to double cover. As for european football, what can I say. Loved by the world because it really is a unique sport, and one can't say there isn't as much or more passion in it when compared to any other. Both are great sports, I just happen to prefer euro footie. So while I like both sports, I wholeheartedly disagree with people who rag on one or the other. They're both awesome, and if you played them and think one totally sucks, you probably suck shit at it. No reason ever not to enjoy a good game of football :D

[CELTIC_2X]

I agree with justice, that all the poll shows is that there are more Football (soccer) playing nations on the boards, however I hope that demonstrates that there are a lot of people outside of the world that enjoy other sports... and so giving competitions names like "the world series" is a huge joke in the rest of the world

very true, you dont play sports with the rest of the world so u cant call something the world series, and w/e else.

[Justice]

Yes, Americans tend to be rather isolationist/loners, don't we?

At least, in CERTAIN respects.

cheers, and
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[Tank0]

i love rugby great fun to play,

but football is my life, nothing can beat it 4 me.




HARRRRR

for me its Club Brugge 'till i die , i know they barely reach the Champions League but i am a supporter in good and bad times ( sad to say they are by far the best belgian team of the moment )

If my son ever stated he s a fan of anderlecht i am gonna smack him silly .

[BIack]

Well, regardless of the sports, its good to see the (non US) Football fans fulfilling their stereotype and blasting abuse at everyone else :cop:

Some of them, anyway

[allied56]

firstly i dont think justice should vite cause from thje impression i get hes fat. and fat people dont play football or american football.
Also americans dont venture out there own state let alone country, unless they join the army and get drafted to either
Vietnam
Iraq
( i bet karma will bring up a load of facts on the american army and people now)

[shutupandshave]

( i bet karma will bring up a load of facts on the american army and people now) and I bet by doing so he will prove whatever he says to be wrong ;)

If America is as great as Americans say it is - why would they want to leave :)

[CELTIC_2X]

If my son ever stated he s a fan of anderlecht i am gonna smack him silly .

hahahahhahaha

[amir]

what i ment to say was.
yes more nations play soccer meaning more people like soccer because more people play it.
and the arsenal manu result didnt mean shit.
arsenal was never gunna catch up chelsea anyway.

[shutupandshave]

MVB always dissappears from threads when he's asked to back up false statements he makes...

Rugby players are about the same size as US football players.

The only think I can see MVB doing in this thread now is saying "no, I have your evidence" and never producing it, or "I gave you evidence that Rugby players are smaller many times, and if you ask for it again, I am going to ban you"

[MVB]

Suas, your links are rather silly, IMO. The largest player on that rugby team weighs in at a piddling 271 pounds and there are only 2 who are over 250, while there are several players in the mid-100's range. There are in only the most extreme cases a difference of 100 pounds in weight between large and small.

The Skins, nonetheless, despite having one of the smaller overall average weights in the NFL, possess a vast number of players weighing decently into the 300's and high 200's, and have very few sub-200 players at all, save for the very lightest positions on the field. Thanks for the evidence; knowing you, I figured you'd make me look it up; now I don't have to.

In short, the biggest of your players is still smaller than a ton of the main hitters -- defensive players -- on the Skins, which is a relatively small team. Your smaller players, of which there are many in the 70-90 kg range, are barely as big as or bigger than our kickers, who are certainly not the physical ones.

In regard to the size difference issue, there are significantly LARGER average differences in weight between the people commonly delivering the hits and those commonly receiving the worst hits (i.e. Renaldo Wynn at DT, 304 pounds, hitting any of the high-100's/low-200's wide receivers and running backs on the skins, and 280-320 pound defenders hitting 180-220 pound offensive players is COMMON, as opposed to the rarity of high vs. low -- 260 vs 160 -- of Rugby players). Also, weight differences are not necessarily evenly proportional. 260 vs. 160 is not necessarily as evenly painful as 320 vs 190.

PS, Suas, I thought we'd gotten over the immature insults. Stop acting like a kid, and being so damned impatient. I was at work all day. I should post your very friendly and polite "gotten over the bs" pms to me. I start making statements you don't like, and you start insulting me again, which is something I haven't really been doing to you. I think, in fact, I've even complimented you some. Let's nip this brewing child-fest in the bud while we can, please.

[shutupandshave]

So you still think that aerobic exercise involves having to stop for a break?

You know, I'd forgotten you like to post private messages on public forums.

hmmmm MVB I have to say I've still never had an apology from you for so many things you called me, and claimed I'd said, that was the reason I got like I did... It was however wrong. Sorry.

Any stats on how fast these 300lb American football players can run?

[Karmashock]

Over a short distance they're incredibly fast… you have to understand that most of the players don’t go that far in each play. So when they move, they have to be 300lb freight trains.

[MVB]

Definition of aerobic exercise (there are plenty, most sound about like this, and in fact use these examples):

Exercises that cause an increase in respiration and heart rate in order to condition your heart and lungs. Running, walking and swimming are considered aerobic exercises. Aerobic exercises generally burn fat.
Football players are either running or walking more or less at all times. The heartrate increases, and they engage in aerobic activities for lengthy periods of time on the field punctuated by only very short rests. They never stop at least walking, and their heartrate increases significantly, as does the action of "huffing and puffing," which can be plainly seen ...
another definition ....
Aerobic exercise refers to the kind of fast-paced activity that makes you "huff and puff." It places demands on your cardiovascular apparatus and, over time, produces beneficial changes in your respiratory and circulatory systems.

Definitions of anaerobic exercise include
Exercise that, no matter how strenuous, does not cause increases in respiration and heart rate. For example, many forms of weight training work the muscles, but not the heart and lungs.
Football certainly causes significant and long-lasting increases in respiration and heart rate, and I don't think that's in doubt. Wind sprinting is listed by some definitions as anaerobic, but football players do not engage in 5 second sprints at maximum speed and then stop, so I don't know how it applies at all.

To be honest, within a single football play the majority of players engage in BOTH anaerobic and aerobic aspects of exercise, anyway.

As far as speed of the 300 lb players, some of the speeds are remarkably quick, and I think you'd be surprised, with 40's in the 4's and low 5's. I have no clue about rugby speeds, so I'd be curious if you had that information. Running speed, however, was never something I was arguing about. Nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised if American football players have a better average speed performance.

[allied56]

so what everyone is arguinig is the bigger the players in the team the more interesting the sport? sumo wrestling tops it then. This is stupid just cause your american football players weigh loadz is because the sport requires them to. If a mid right or left in soccer weighed 300 he wouldnt be able to run up and won a 100 yrd pictch (i think its 100 yrd) for 90 mins would he

[CELTIC_2X]

so what everyone is arguinig is the bigger the players in the team the more interesting the sport? sumo wrestling tops it then. This is stupid just cause your american football players weigh loadz is because the sport requires them to. If a mid right or left in soccer weighed 300 he wouldnt be able to run up and won a 100 yrd pictch (i think its 100 yrd) for 90 mins would he

yea y does size matter?

[shutupandshave]

I think that your definition is a little waited towards your argument... and has been generalised a little too much. Getting punched in the face would qualify as aerobic exercise by your definition... here is what I remember from school

Aerobic exercise is exercise that is sustainable. It burns oxygen in the muscles and therefore you can continue aerobic exercise "indefinitely", anerobic exercise is not. It burns muscle and producles lactic acid. Sprinting is anerobic, jogging is aerobic.

No, I think MVB is arguing that because American football players are bigger, American football is a more dangerous sport. I was complaining that MVB and Karma no fuckall about rugby so they should stfu.

Anyway, yes, football players are slightly larger than rugby players... whether it's enough to make a difference, I dont know. I do know, however that I have watched American football many times, and my best friends Dad (at school) was a referee. We used to go along, and we used to play sometimes. We were also both Rugby players (both went along to the County). I still feel that Rugby is a much harder game to play both in fitness levels and in hitting each other. I've seen all kinds of breaks in school rugby (15yr olds), a broken back, various broken fingers and arms and legs and stuff.

I played a game with a broken collarbone, and scored.

Now I played a LOT more rugby that US football, but I have some experience talking about US football, which is more than I feel MVB and Karma have when they talk about Rugby.

[allied56]

true true

[CELTIC_2X]

aye rugby is plenty rough i played it as a school boy to,

but why does that matter? the entertainment is wats inportant, not the size of the players,

and the fact is its boring as hell, stop, start, stop, start, o wait there we need our secound team on? i meen wat the hell, also to me footee is aboot club and contry, i dont giv a dam aboot the players size or w/e as long as they win.

[shutupandshave]

I think there was some kind of argument that american football could be "proven" to be better.

[MVB]

Suas, you should never assume anything. In college, I often visited and watched my good buddies play rugby for the club team. I even fooled around w/ 'em, and chatted for long periods of time about the rules and nuances of the game. As far as I know, I believe American football is infinitely better, requiring a great deal more knowledge of the complexities and strategies involved in every play, the vast # of plays to memorize, the split-second decision making involved in 22 guys doing 22 different things while keeping tabs on all 21 others and what they're doing, then making a critical decision, all within 4-6 seconds (on average), etc. I find it hard to imagine that you could do anything, however, to "prove" a sport to be "better," as that very word is in most cases an opinionated one.

If you want to focus on individual aspects, maybe. I.E. the biggest rugby players seem to average close to 100 pounds less than the average football players (and that's not a "minor" weight difference), or the average impact force of a hit from a football player vs. a hit from a rugby player. I do know that the AVERAGE college linebacker (college, not pro even) delivers an impact to the body with a tackle that equates to the force of a 70mph car accident. I'd be curious to know what the force impact of the average rugby hit is. You can understand my doubt about it being quite as high, given weight differences, the lack of deaths among unprotected rugby players (American football players were dying from hits, which is why we had to go to pads, and some still die anyway), etc.

All in all, I appreciate you not carrying on some of the weight/etc. arguments in page 2 (i think) which I responded to, and look forward to your response here. There obviously can't be an argument made regarding "better," but the facts are fairly obvious, IMO, regarding WHY US football players have to wear pads, and why rugby players don't.

Also, having watched some rugby on TV, and watched college rugby, and then comparing TV rugby with the NFL, and college rugby with college football, I can say from the position of an observer that the average football player is much tougher, and participates in much more serious activity than the average rugby player.

Also, in regard to anaerobic and aerobic, sprinting is not what football players do on the field. They are running, and stopping only for very brief periods of time. A 400-meter runner will move at a fairly high pace (though not a full-out sprint) and is engaging in aerobic exercise as he does so. How in shape you are affects this; if you sprint so often that you get in shape to the point where you can run that speed consistently over lengthier periods of time, the REASON you can do it for that long is that you have gotten yourself in shape to the point where it has become aerobic. The fact that you bluntly label one type or another as aerobic or anaerobic leads me to think maybe you're not fully aware of how it works. If you REALLY require, I'll have my slightly younger brother, who is a full-certified personal trainer, and knows this stuff better than myself, come on and give a brief rundown of why NFL players engage in both aerobic and anaerobic behavior during a football game. Heck, even weightlifting can be aerobic, as if you are doing high-rep with lower-weight (which is more what guards, for instance, are doing all game as they block and shove each other) it is aerobic lifting. If you MAX out for lower reps, that's anaerobic, and that's not at all the kind of hitting/blocking most players are doing for the most part. The anaerobic part comes when people such as linebackers deliver full-on hits mid-field, whereas the aerobic comes as they back up and shadow receivers for every play all game long.

[Mister.T]

Time to take all your shit out on me guys.... BOTH OF THEM SUCK!!!

Aussie Rules Football (AFL) kicks the shit outta both of those half ass sports.

AFL has four 30 min quaters with no stoppages inbetween quaters unlike NFL which is constanty being heald up. And unlike soccer the players in AFL arn't little girlie girls who cant take a hit. IMO AFL has the best of both the mentioned sports plus much much more. Its fast flowing, hard hitting and skillfull, unlike soccer or NFL which are both lacking at least on of those atributes.

I demand that AFL be an option for this poll or at least a option to choose "Other" because NFL and soccer are NOT the only types of football in the world.

For those of you who dont know what AFL is ( which i presume is most of you ) heres a link to the official site http://afl.com.au/ (http://www.afl.com.au) If you like what you see, spread the word. If not, you are a FOOL.

This is the kind of stuff that you see in AFL http://members.optusnet.com.au/~g_r_abbott/mainpic.jpg

[mOle]

same shit diffrent name... ... or was it same name diffrent shit?

dunno..

anyway... I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK!

(voted third ;))

[Mister.T]

same shit diffrent name... ... or was it same name diffrent shit?

dunno..

anyway... I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK!

(voted third ;))

Fair enough, mabe there should be a "chess" option for you mOle eh?

[mOle]

?? i dont get it

there should be a fourth for me....

4.) what the? why was this brought up?

[MVB]

rofl Aussie rules football doesn't have any of the hardhitting nature of the NFL

just another opinion, anyway; it's not like any of us can prove anything about which is "better"
your photo shows an unprotected panzyn00b getting tossed into the air b/c he's so damned lightweight it makes it easy. As if NFL players can't fly or take massive hits without flinching.

http://pobladores.lycos.es/data/pobladores.com/de/io/deion/channels/nfl/images/3141246bailey.jpg
http://media.theinsiders.com/Media/NFL/53_Mark-Roman.JPG
http://images.nfl.com/photos/img6805017.jpg
http://images.nfl.com/photos/img6600705.jpg
http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/pg2/2002/0909/photo/a_vick_hi.jpg

anyway, this thread is dead

[Mister.T]

No its not :nyah:

And those dudes in ur pics are wearing armour, If i had that much armour on you could beat me with a baseball bat and i would feel close to nothing. Those guys look like they should be jousting, not playing football

[Karmashock]

if you played like these guys without it, you'd die.

[DrunkenUno]

People still get unbelievably injured even with their "armor."

I will never forget watching that one lions game where the guy got absolutely wrecked with a helmet to helmet hit and became paralized for life (and yes, thats helmet to helmet, not head to head. As in, "armor to armor."

[DrunkenUno]

I will say that aussie rules football is pretty fucking awesome, even though their refs make those ridiculous, rigid, shooting-like motions with their arms after every score.

And in the US, rugby is played by people who aren't good enough to make the football team. Its been like that in both high school and college.

Also, consider that in football, unlike rugby, you have players who's specific task on any given play is to do ONE thing, and hence they put ALL of their effort into that one thing. So a defensive lineman may be going for an all out sack on the QB, and hence focuses all of his effort on getting past the offensive linemen, while the offensive linemen is putting all of his effort into stopping that said guy. You have lots of head to head matches up football, either between WRs and CBs, RBs and linebackers, punters and returners, etc. This is the beauty of football. Like MVB said earlier, you have 11 guys on each team who have do to 11 specific things. So not only do you have an entire team which must carry out a specifically designed play, you also have 11 individual 1 on 1 matchups which will decide if that play is carried out or not.

Football not only requires size, speed, and immense talent, it also requires intelligence. Players not only have to memorize these hundreds of unique specific plays, they also must be able to improvize off of those plays. I would say that the quarterback is the hardest position requiring the most skill of any position in any sport. First of all, you need to have an amazing arm. Then of course you need to be able to accurately throw a pass 50 yards to a reciever. You have to run your entire offense, often calling plays, then have to make decisions on who and where you are throwing the ball to, or if you are going to run the ball or throw it away, all in the face of 4-8 guys who are all trying to hurt you as much as they can.

I mean come on, wtf is some rugby player gonna do vs Ray Lewis or Arrington?

[Justice]

The hits those guys take and the injuries they get EVEN WITH THE ARMOR shows you just exactly how hard-hitting and physical a game American football really is.

cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-

[Mister.T]

Yea Drunk, the Goal umpires in AFL do look queer.http://www.messagesonhold.com.au/Uploads/Images/York%20Prk%20Goal%20Umpire.jpeg 8-)

[DrunkenUno]

Hqahahahah yeah T thats what im saying, its so gay.

[BIack]

I mean come on, wtf is some rugby player gonna do vs Ray Lewis or Arrington?

Ray Lewis =

6'1
245 pounds

Johah Lomu =

6.5
275 pounds
And built like a brick shit house :) He scores tries with 4 people hanging off him, and 2 more broken on the field

[Karmashock]

they don't play the same way... in foot ball you really hit each other... rugby is lighter... if it weren't they'd die.


humans are humans... football players wear pads so they don't DIE!

[MVB]

Black, the problem is, Ray Lewis is average in size for his position ... that's AVERAGE. Takes you one insane individual to find that. Your guy would die to a 300+ pound defensive lineman (that's 300+ pounds BEFORE his "armor")

[BIack]

I was just posting to show the absurdity of Drunk's last statement :)

And I still have Friends (tm) on my side lol

[Karmashock]

doesn't make you right... just means more people are wrong... ;)

[Blueviper]

soccer>football

[Karmashock]

Losing a eye to a mexican organ merchant > Soccer

[Justice]

I'm sorry, Viper, you just got SERVED!


cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-

[eXoRciSt]

For some reason, Justice has the last post on every thread, and he says something gay, this happening to you guys?

[Tank0]

For some reason, Justice has the last post on every thread

nah thats Karma's job

[DrunkenUno]

For some reason, Justice has the last post on every thread, and he says something gay, this happening to you guys?

I've noticed this too.

[Karmashock]

nah thats Karma's job
It's because no one can do it better. ;)

I mean... why spoil one of my perfect ends? :D

[2biT]

Best game ever, and even the sotish will agree....


England v Germany qualifier to world cup 02

score...


ENGLAND 5 - Germany 1

and germany scored first...

[Spulm]

soccer FTW!

M.

[eXoRciSt]

I'm sorry, Viper, you just got SERVED!


cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-


Qualified, As some thing gay.

Thank you, come again

[Karmashock]

Qualified, As some thing gay.

Thank you, come again
... why do you even try?... seriously?... :confused:

[eXoRciSt]

... why do you even try?... seriously?... :confused:


didnt really get that comment.

[Karmashock]

nm... :drool:

[eXoRciSt]

:imwithstu