This socialist nihilist bullshit is almost funny.

[Karmashock]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wgerm30.xml

apparently if this woman doesn't take a job at a local brothel, the government is going to cut off her unemployment benifits.

now... granted, that I probably would have cut them off awhile ago... Welfare is something that is supposed to be used in an emergency... not a way of life.

But even being able to put prositution on your resume is beyond my understanding...


I seriously... I just... wow... I can't even related to the insanity of what they're doing over there.

*breaks out the lyre and sniffs the air for smoke*

[shutupandshave]

Not socialist, liberal?
I think the problem arises because of the sex-industry legalisation.

Telling people to go back to work when there are jobs around is not socialist is it?

[Karmashock]

what does this have to do with 'liberal' anything? What does this have to do with freedom?


Anyway, brothel jobs are not something you should expect anyone to 'want'... legalizing them is one thing... pointing to the brothel for employment is something that is just beyond the pale...

which is why I included nihilist... which goes along rather well with socialism.

[Dezmo1218]

"Ve care about nozhing!" - German Nihilists, Big Lebowski

I <3 that movie.

[Karmashock]

they suited the mold... tools.

[shutupandshave]

what does this have to do with 'liberal' anything?
Making the sex-industry legal is an act of liberalisation, not of socialism.

Telling people to get back to work or stop having benefits is something that is found in many countries, and something you yourself belief in.

[Karmashock]

More a product of nihilism. The absence of rules is not liberalism. The state telling people to take such a job is beyond the pale... Its up there with sweden oking abortion FIVE YEARS AFTER birth... no scruples.

[MightyDWC]

There is a professor of something here in the United States who speaks to 6th and 7th graders about job futures and ways of living. One that he suggest to be a lucrative career is a topless dancer. And people wonder how kids now a days become corrupt? BWAHAHAHAHA Give me a break. Can't think of the guys name, just heard it on the radio the other day. This professor has been doing this for 13 years. :fuctupshi

[Karmashock]

nihilism.

I think it's the single biggest threat to western civilization.

[shutupandshave]

I think unchecked global warming is the biggest threat to western civilisation.

Wanna place a bet?

[Papa Smurf]

i think people like Karma are the planets biggest threat.

Yes of course this is wierd and have no doubt that the Germans will change things very quickly now that they are getting sued.

Nihilism v liberalism
Do you even understand how these words are to be used in the english laugage, you are using nihilism in completely the wrong context. There are still laws covering them they are not lawless. Drving a car is not against the law so is that also an act of Nihilism? Your logic confounds me, oh no it doesn't you have none. lol just joking you argue your points well despite the misguided nature of them (thats just my personal opinion)

If you are joking then fair enough it certainly made me laugh :rofl:

time for dancing bananas me feels,

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Yay!

[Karmashock]

I think unchecked global warming is the biggest threat to western civilisation.

Wanna place a bet?
How is global warming going to destroy my civilization? If anything, it will increase rain fall and defrost canada.

europe might be fucked... that's a real threat, and we wouldn't want that to happen. But that's primarily a worry concerning the gulf stream which I don't think we know a great deal about.

This does however confirm a theory I had...

Prime issues to each civilization (from the PON thread)...
EU: Global warming
US: Global Freedom
Islam radicals: Global Islam

there are more obviously... its just interesting that you've chosen GW to be teh thing that defines your people's mission and we've chosen freedom... and the islamic radicals have chosen univeral Shriea law (sp).
=================================
I post something about the Germans forcing a woman to work at a brothel and you respond with"
i think people like Karma are the planets biggest threat.
you're very quickly hammeraging any respect you got from me by taking the time to post that long post about Global warming.

Nihilism v liberalism
Do you even understand how these words are to be used in the english laugage, you are using nihilism in completely the wrong context.
There is nothing liberal about telling a woman to work in a brothel.
Drving a car is not against the law so is that also an act of Nihilism?
anything immoral about driving a car?


:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Yay!

one reason why I shouldn't just call you a tard and move on?...

[shutupandshave]

How is global warming going to destroy my civilization? If anything, it will increase rain fall and defrost canada.

You dont understand global warming at all do you....?

It doesn't get a "bit hotter" then stop.

Global warming ends when the world has similar conditions to venus. If of course you cant see how that will be detrimental to your economy then you're talking out of Uranus.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6934

[DrunkenUno]

Global warming ends when the world has similar conditions to venus. If of course you cant see how that will be detrimental to your economy then you're talking out of Uranus.


Bahahhahahahahhahhahahhahaha.

9.2/10.

[Karmashock]

venus?... sigh...

assuming that that gets anywhere even remotely close to that... we'll shut everything down long before it gets that bad...

wow... they've really done a lot doomsaying on you people... you're fucking terrified.

[shutupandshave]

Karma
Once it's started you cant stop it.

If the doomsingers are right, for example, and 20 years is the point of no return (just for arguments sake) and the entire population of the planet dissapears from the earth in 21 years - it will still happen.

It's a chain reaction.

Yes I am scared, and when you get a huge feeling of dread - you will realise how bad it is IF it happens. The fact is, you dont seem to understand how it works at all.

[Karmashock]

then please run around in circles screaming... you can't get china or india to stop... you can't. So the only way, if this matters at all, is to take carbon out of the air.


That is what you should be working on...

nothign else is practical.

[shutupandshave]

Since when was Carbon a greenhouse gas.

Yes, if we were to work together to get fusion reactors working, and switched to well maintaned fission in the meantime - China and India would have no need to continue.

[Dibujante]

Bah, it's not a socialist liberal nihilist anything. It's a throwback from the French revolution concept of equal application of law. The Germans think they're upholding the ideals of the "rule of law" and of "rational government" by refusing to discriminate against various "businesses". It's that simple. Now, it's stupid and wrong, but it has nothing to do with liberalism or socialism.
Regards,
Dibujante

[JADezimar]

I know, If you walk up to any female here and say you should go work as a stripper, prostitute, topless dancer etc. Unless they are already involved with the profession, the female will probably be highly offended. I think You morons that argued with Karma just to argue and bring up global warming etc should have not posted at all. Makes me believe that you think this behaviour is ok? It is not ok for you to come up to my wife and tell her to work at a topless bar, not only will she be offended but I would personlly be highly offended and probably imature about the situation. I.E making sure your lips are so sore you wont want to talk.

(The responses to that I saw here were so disrespectful, outragous; I am appauled.)

[Papa Smurf]

How is global warming going to destroy my civilization? If anything, it will increase rain fall and defrost canada.

europe might be fucked... that's a real threat, and we wouldn't want that to happen. But that's primarily a worry concerning the gulf stream which I don't think we know a great deal about.

This does however confirm a theory I had...

Wow i mean that whole staement is just invention, how do you know what the effects of global warming will be ion your country, weather is to difficult to predict for the most powerful computer in the world never mind some one like you Karma.

But that's primarily a worry concerning the gulf stream which I don't think we know a great deal about.

http://oceancurrents.rsmas.miami.edu/atlantic/gulf-stream.html

a quote from the frirst paragraph of the above artical the first line in fact, so once again Karma you are utterly wrong.

[quote=Joanna Gyory, Arthur J. Mariano, Edward H. Ryan ]Beginning in the Caribbean and ending in the northern North Atlantic, the Gulf Stream System is one of the world's most intensely studied current systems.[/quote


Why would europe be fucked from a shift in the gulf stream?yes the British Isles and part of France and scandanvia would get colder but thats not the end of the world, however its because we'll have those old people in Florida floating out to sea, or the dams in Holland are over run and london is under 12 feet of water that i say we are fucked.

Hello why are you immune lol florida well you can wave good bye to that at it will be one of the first place on earth to flood, as they are only a few inchs above sea level in places, also all the flood plains along the Mississippi, in fact one glance at a map and i see most of you population is based in low level land, flood plains and coastal plains as i see, poor old LA will go as will New York, Florida, New Orleans, Mobile then add to that the extreme weather conditions, how many hurricans did you have this year? Most ever was it not, and the most intense?
http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/hurr/04/04_summary.gif
LOL again what do you base that comment on, why will America be ok and europe be fucked, can you explain that to me, i am having trouble with were you are coming from, when people mention GLOBAL warming i genreally think it will affect the globe, am i miss led here, has english changed its meaning since i went to bed?

Now i know you are going to take one of two line here there is no ice melting, or we will be fine.

the green land is land below 1000ft above sea level
http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/states/maps1/ca.gif thats cali, say good bye to the populated areas
http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/states/maps1/fl.gifnot a bit of land above 1000ft in Florida lol i did not think that one was true at first, but apparently it is.
http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/states/maps1/tx.gif oh dear thats alot of Texas flooded along that coastal plain
http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/states/maps1/al.gifDam it look like Alabama survies hahaha except that river delta yay Bye Bye Mobile (lol i have a vested interest in Mobile)

LOL anyway you get the point i am trying to make, there is alot of low level land in the States, yes? or are you going to agrue with the tapography of your own country?

How the other line you could take is that the planet is not warming up, i think we all know thats not true but ill give some evidence any way. The global mean temperature over the last 137 years (1, 2) shows two periods of rapid warming: between 1915-1942, and between 1974-1998. Figure 1 shows a rise of about 0.6 K since 1910 and no trend between 1940-75. Observe the rapid rise from 1975 to 1995: global mean temperature anomalies in the last decade were about 0.5 K, several times larger than the interannual variation.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gat2003-600x370.gif
Fig 1. Global and annual mean temperatures from 1860 to 1996, as measured in situ at weather/climate stations. The temperatures are expressed as an anomaly from the average over 1961-90.

Figure 2 shows that the global sea-surface temperature, also, has gradually increased, especially since 1910 (3). A rise from 1910 to 1940, and from 1980 until recently, as well as a stagnation between 1940-75, are apparent in both surface and sea-surface temperature data. The magnitude of the changes are also similar.

http://www.paktu.com/membersarea/papa/sealevel.jpgFig 2. Global and annual mean sea-surface temperatures from 1860 to 1992, as estimated, measured in situ, or measured remotely (from satellite). The temperatures are expressed as an anomaly from the average over 1951-80. The curve has been smoothed to show the trend more clearly.

A 1998 release by the US National Climate Data Center in Asheville, North Carolina reported that 1997 was the warmest year this century over the globe as a whole (4). It was 0.42 K warmer than the normal, i.e. the 1961-1990 average. The warmest year previously was 1990, which was 0.34 K warmer than the normal. Nine of the past 11 years have been warmer than the warmest on record prior to 1980. HUmmm interesting the last two decades warmest ever eh? 1998 was warmest ever around the globe
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/1998/may/j-mtriadl.gifThe period January-May 1998 was the warmest since reliable records began in 1880, according to the National Climatic Data Center. This conclusion was based on separately examining land data using the Global Historical Climatology Network; ocean data using the National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP) - Reynolds Sea Surface Temperatures (SST) blended with the NOAA Comprehensive Ocean-Atmosphere Data Set (COADS) and the United Kingdom Meteorological Office Historical SST analysis; and a global surface temperature index that combines the ocean and land data. The final anomaly may change due to inclusion of new areas of the world not currently represented. Each of the anomaly time series is based on its respective 1880-1998 mean.

Globally 1998 was by far the warmest on record, with a temperature anomaly (between January-May) of 1.4K. This is in part due to a very strong El Niño. So it appears that 1998 will set another record. Can not wait for the next El Niño, apparently its going to be even worse this time.

So we have proof of temprate rise for what ever reason, and there is lots of land to flood in the US and the rest of the world, now all we need is the volume of water.

"During the twentieth century, the global-mean sea-level has risen, on average, by 10-20 cm. The three factors chiefly determining sea-level change are:

1)thermal expansion of the oceans,
2)melting of non-polar glaciers, and
3)change in the volume of the icecaps of Antarctica and Greenland.

Warmer water assumes a larger volume, so sea surface temperatures (SSTs) affect sea levels. However it is not clear how the warming varies with depth in the ocean. The observed warming appears to be concentrated above the thermocline. Depending on the assumptions involved, the observed SST increase during the last century implies a sea-level rise of about 3-10 cm/century (2). The retreat of continental glaciers worldwide between 1900-61 yields an estimated sea level rise of 2-5 cm/century. No firm evidence exists that the volume of ice on Greenland and Antarctica is changing, but the melting of all this ice would raise sea levels by 7 m and 65 m, respectively. It is not clear how global warming would affect the polar icecaps: higher temperatures would increase snowfall near the poles, yet temperatures would more often be above 0°C over a larger region, enhancing melting. For instance, except along the coast, the surface air temperature over Antarctica is always well below freezing, but on the west side of Antarctica it has risen by 0.5 K per decade since the mid-1940’s.

[Papa Smurf]

There may be a slight decrease in accumulation of snow in Greenland, but a large increase of melting, as a result of global warming. Over Antarctica, there may be a significant increase of accumulation, and still virtually no melting. The Greenland discharge would raise global sea levels by 1.1 mm/a, whereas the Antarctic accumulation would lower levels by 0.9 mm/a (4). In other words, changes in the ice budget at opposite poles would more or less offset each other.

The upshot is a widely ranging set of estimates for sea-level rise of around 40 cm by the year 2100, largely due to a SST increase of about 2.5 K.

The amount of sea ice does not directly affect the sea level, not because sea ice generally is less a metre thick, but rather because it is floating. Indirectly, it does affect the sea level, through its effect on global temperatures. Its high albedo, compared with that of open water, leads to a positive temperature feedback as a result of solar heating. It inhibits the loss of heat from the ocean to the atmosphere, and therefore it enhances the ‘continentality’ of adjacent coastal areas. The formation of ice causes an increase of salinity in the adjacent water, since the ice formation excludes most of the salt. The increased salinity means a higher density, which fosters thermohaline subsidence of the water beneath the ice. Conversely, melting of the ice in summer leaves a layer of relatively low-density water on the sea surface.

The area of sea ice appears to be falling around the Arctic (1), but around Antarctica only in the Amundsen & Bellingshausen Sea (since 1973) (3). Gaps of open water within an area of sea ice are known as ‘polynyas’. There is substantial heat loss from polynyas to the atmosphere, and consequent subsidence of the cooled water." B. Geerts and E. Linacre



http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap10/nzglacier.html


http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap10/sea_level.html


http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap17/greenland.html


http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap15/global_temp.html

[Karmashock]

It's a throwback from the French revolution concept of equal application of law. The Germans think they're upholding the ideals of the "rule of law" and of "rational government" by refusing to discriminate against various "businesses".
bingo... nihilism.





as to the enviro stuff that's in this thread, it's off topic.

post it elsewhere.

[shutupandshave]

yup, the off-topic stuff belongs in the global warming thread.

JAD, incidentally, who were you talking too?

Can someone move the global warming posts over?