"The power of Nightmares"-BBC

[Karmashock]

Anyone in the UK watch this?... I've just watched the first episode... I download my tv (2 and 3 are inbound... but Overnet is slow... it has a billion files and will get stuff that no other service will get... but it's slow.)...

Anyway, I think it's very well done, though I disagree with some of the interpretations and phraseology... but hey, it's saying that the fundamental nature of my ideology is fear and deception... so whether I'm right or wrong... I am biased... and therefore I'll just excuse myself from total judgment.



Anyway, it's a really well done series that looks at the evolution of the Neo-conservative and Islamist movements... from their humble beginnings to their rise to dominant international power.

It also covers some of my favorite philosophers (the neo cons) and gives me a new insight into the Islamists.

In it he details the declining social and cultural cohesion of both American society and the westernizing Islamic societies that was the impetus for the two new movements.

In America, that was America reborn as a proud force for order and freedom in the world against the forces of barbarism and tyranny.

In Islam (these guys used Islam and so Islam is what was effected), it was Islam reborn as a theocratic society for the modern era... against the forces of decadence and moral corruption.




Anyway, if you're in the UK, I so far recommend it.... even if it seems to come to the conclusion that Bin Ladin and Bush are both agents of the same political system of thought.


Love and Peace, Karmashock.

[Karmashock]

Additional thought...

If the US is giving itself purpose by vowing to destroy the forces of tyranny
If Islam is giving itself purpose by vowing to purify itself of anything perceived as western (which explicitly includes freedom).

then perhaps Europe is giving itself purpose by vowing to save the world from planet destroying pollution?

Each of these has been pushed in many cases beyond logic to the general benefit of those in power.

Each has relied at least in a few occasions on specious evidence.
Each has preconceived notions that cannot be easily changed if they can be changed at all.
Each tends to frame itself as the sole beacon and guardian/champion of its unique objective.


just a thought... the guy doing the piece doesn't cover this... but then, he's European leftist that would be more likely to belong to his group's 'vision' (he doesn’t say that anywhere… but it’s ridiculously obvious.). As such, he might just be biased - as I'm biased about neo-conservatism.

the whole thing is fascinating...

[allied56]

your post is retardedly wrong, i havnt got it in me to read it, shorten it down plz

[Blacksand]

Allied, that has absolutely -nothing- to do with this topic. Why did you even post, much less spam the topic about how you haven't got it in you to read the topic?

As for the series, it sounds pretty damn intresting to me .. any links on the web as to conclusions, related projects/data, Karma?

[Karmashock]

your post is retardedly wrong, i havnt got it in me to read it, shorten it down plz
I love the petty tools that follow me around in a desperate attempt for futile revenge.

Don't even try... It's like canoes V aircraft carrier with you people... rediculious, one sided, near pornographic ownage.
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Allied, that has absolutely -nothing- to do with this topic. Why did you even post, much less spam the topic about how you haven't got it in you to read the topic?

As for the series, it sounds pretty damn intresting to me .. any links on the web as to conclusions, related projects/data, Karma?
here is the program webpage
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm
you can find most of what you might be interested in, on the bbc page...
Love and Peace, KS.

[shutupandshave]

your post is retardedly wrong, i havnt got it in me to read it, shorten it down plz

How can you know that if you're not read it!?? C'mon.

[Karmashock]

we had a disagreement in the GC2 portions of this forum. I enjoyed myself...