'tis time, methinks, to start a countdown on iran

[RazielDemon]

It looks like it might be starting.

The US naval military build up in the east Mediterranean and the Gulf, conjoined with something of a propaganda campaign that is being drummed up at home, among other signals, are all pointing to one ill-fated conclusion: the Bush administration, entranced in its foolishness, has decided to discard, and in its entirety, the Baker-Hamilton recommendations; instead of engaging Iran politically, the US is opting to engage it militarily.

But how long will it take to prepare one wonders? Realisitically there's about a year left for preparations at maximum, though I suspect it will begin sooner.

My own estimate is somewhere in april, it just feels about right.

[Karmashock]

Drummed up?... are you implying that Iran's image is not justly bad?



I'm not sure how to take your post... you seem to be siding with Iran of all countries in this issue... after all... we've surrounded them... ergo the proper thing to conclude after saddam was just hung is that the US isn't up to bitch slapping Iran back into the middle ages... which of course... is nonsense.

[RazielDemon]

I know this can be very confusing but there is a difference between siding with a party protected by laws and siding with those international laws themselves; it's the difference between liking a serial killer and supporting the legal system which would give him a fair trial. I do not expect you to understand it.

Besides which, contrary to popular belief I am not in favour of a worldwide islamist uprising, which is the almost inevitable consequence which I see of nuking iran, which is pretty much the only way a war there can end.

[Karmashock]

I know this can be very confusing but there is a difference between siding with a party protected by laws and siding with those international laws themselves; it's the difference between liking a serial killer and supporting the legal system which would give him a fair trial. I do not expect you to understand it.
There are no international laws that apply in this situation unless you count the sanctions currently put upon Iran. In which case the people to be looked at would be some of the europeans and the russians... both of whom are carrying out actions allowed by the sanctions but inconsistent with their purpose.


Other then that there isn't really much of a law on Iran.


What I don't think you understand is that all laws are ultimately backed by violence. Consider your own society... any society... consider any law... consider what happens to those that disobey them. Violence.


The US protects all these international laws because we are the only power in the world with the capability to carry out that violence, the will to carry out that violence, and interest in laws at all.


Look at the security council... if you consider the UN to be the law body of the world then understand that it was founded by the US... twice. Understand further that Russia and China have more to gain by its destruction then it's maintenance. Understand lastly that no nation in europe nor even europe combined has either hte capability or more importantly the will to enforce such laws.


So in effect, as much as the concept might bother understand that the US is not in breach of any international law or regulation in regards to these conflicts in the middle east. Our legal experts defended the actions on the floor of the UN and our case prevailed.


Your displeasure with the US being in defacto control of so much... and responsible for so much... isn't relevant if your concern is "law". We are in compliance and are in fact maintaining this law.


If you want something else to take over for the US... then find something else that has both muscle and a backbone. If all you've got to offer are weeping jellyfish move about on a viscus of slime then don't expect to run anything.

Besides which, contrary to popular belief I am not in favour of a worldwide islamist uprising, which is the almost inevitable consequence which I see of nuking iran, which is pretty much the only way a war there can end.
We're not nuking Iran... we're planning on destroying it's nuclear capability.


Nuking Iran becomes more probable in fact if they do get the bomb.


If Iran gets the bomb... it might mean nuclear war... Europe doesn't understand this... they're still treating Iran like a naughty child. And Russia's still selling them military hardware.


World wide islamic rebellion doesn't mean much at this point... everyone that's crazy enough to side with the islamists has done so already... if they do so more overtly then I don't see how that makes things worse... in fact it might make things better.


The only people that might be in trouble are the french because they have such a large islamist population... not muslim mind you... but islamist... radicals. But as you probably know I'm beyond caring what happens to france... it can burn for all I care...


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Furthermore, while you were busy being sarcastic you didn't tell me what you meant by "drummed up"... are you implying that Iran's image is justly bad or that it's image is being fabricated? Because "drummed up" means in this context that someone is making Iran look bad... aside from Iran itself.

And the thing is... that's just a pile of flaming horse shit... Iran is digging their own grave here... you know it... everyone in the middle east knows it... it's common fucking knowledge. They're being given all kinds of chances and their spitting in our faces.


Well fine... we'll see how far that gets you... enjoy the fireworks, you medieval fucks.