U.N. Relief Mission in South Asia

[Justice]

After the Iraq Oil for Food scandal, do you think the U.N. is capable of administering supplies to people affected by the tsunami disaster?

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[Justice]

Oops ... why didn't the poll come out?

God damn it.

Anyways, the three options are "Yes," "No," and "No Comment."

cheers, and
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[Larsson7]

LOL - WE SHOULD LET AMERICA DO IT ALL AND SACK THE UN!!!

AM I RITE?

OH AND I AM POSTING IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS FUCKING RETARDED.

[Karmashock]

the UN can be trusted here... at least as far as we can see it... and everyone is paying attention... if they do pull some funny business, it will destroy them.

The issue with the UN is that they're given great resources and not expected to do much... or given great respect without expecting them to know what they're doing... or afforded great power, without requiring that that they are very responsible.

The UN can't debate or skim much in this opperation... so I don't see how they can fuck it up too badly... The US will do what it does regardless of what the UN is doing... the UN is more for organizing smaller nations in these operations...

[LardGibs]

Maybe the 2 billion in aid should be used to build a time machine and stop the genocide in Rwanda.

UN=crippled.

[stats]

The un is the only organization capable of mounting an effective operation in response to the tsunami. End of story.

(Pre-emptive reply to the response 'America can': Right or wrong, No other government would trust the US)

[DrunkenUno]

Maybe the 2 billion in aid should be used to build a time machine and stop the genocide in Rwanda.

UN=crippled.

^^^Win.

How about the ongoing civil war in Congo thats the largest loss of life since WW2?

Who the fuck cares about 150,000 people dead when over 4 million have died without any "UN Relief Mission."

Yeah, UN is real fucking great.

[Karmashock]

The un is the only organization capable of mounting an effective operation in response to the tsunami. End of story.

(Pre-emptive reply to the response 'America can': Right or wrong, No other government would trust the US)
Not true... you don't say no to 200 tons of rice just because it has a US sticker on it. We're saving lives out there and no one's going to turn us away because of the middle east.

Know your place and know the US's... We're the core state of the western world... Deal with it.

I would also note, that had france and germany gone along with what we're doing in Iraq, no one would be making a big stink about it. So just realize that when you talk about "world opinion" you're talking about france and germany... which is just totally fucking pointless.

[stats]

What part of my post did you take out of context karma? I was not suggesting that US aid should be ignored, nor that it is anyless welcome than any other aid.

After the Iraq Oil for Food scandal, do you think the U.N. is capable of administering supplies to people affected by the tsunami disaster?

I was simply stating that no other body is capable of mounting the logistical monster of distributing aid effectively to where it is needed most -

The un is the only organization capable of mounting an effective operation in response to the tsunami. End of story.

While countries/groups like the US and EU etc may have the means of doing this, technically. The US, EU or Russia or even China are no more likely to hand over control of something like this to one another, than the US is to recognize international the War crimes tribuneral; China is to ask for americas technological know how on space exploration; France, win a war; or The united kingdom become a republic. So either they all work together (This would take years of negotiations) So, is the UN capable of administering supplies to people affected? Is there any other reasonable option!?

On a side note Karma, i've read what you have written in other threads, Your posting is highly confrontational. I to be honest io find alot of your arguements, not very thought out. =/

[Karmashock]

What part of my post did you take out of context karma?
None of it. You're taking me out of context. My first words in this thread were:
the UN can be trusted here.
I was simply stating that no other body is capable of mounting the logistical monster of distributing aid effectively to where it is needed most
This is simply not true, which you in fact agree with despite the contradiction... here:
While countries/groups like the US and EU etc may have the means of doing this, technically. The US, EU or Russia or even China are no more likely to hand over control of something like this to one another, than the US is to recognize international the War crimes tribuneral;
This isn't a territorial matter. There is nothing to hand over and everyone is willing to cooperate with everyone else whether the UN was there or not. The UN is frankly irrelevant in this case as the same thing would likely happen either way. However, if it makes people feel good to put a UN stamp on US grain and Chinese rice... fine... I don't see that it matters and I don't know why I should care one way or the other.

China is to ask for americas technological know how on space exploration;
A small point, they ask us all the time. However, we say 'no' a lot... so they tend to just steal it anyway.


On a side note Karma, i've read what you have written in other threads, Your posting is highly confrontational.
In all debates, but especially in politics people are right and people are wrong. It is a confrontational medium to begin with... deal with it. This is the reason why it is impolite to discuss politics, religion, or anything else controversial with guests over dinner. It makes people uncomfortable and assures you that unless everyone agreed... someone is going to walk away feeling like a loser.

I to be honest io find a lot of your arguments, not very thought out. =/
This is just such typical bullshit. You don't post 'why' or 'because' or even comment on the thread that you thought was bullshit in the first place. You just vaguely allude to it like anyone is going to swallow that monkey cum. I actually think most of my positions out very very deeply. I have read several books on many of these topics (just means I’ve read some detailed opinions and taken in a lot of data) and have written papers about a few of them too. They are the opposite of poorly thought out. Do they disagree with your opinion? Maybe they do disagree with your opinion... so debate it. Grow a pair of fucking testicles and fight for your position! I'll be a gentleman with you if you respect my perspective and debate the issue fairly. However, if you try to dismiss me or pull a fast one... I'll take my white gloves off, crack my neck, and tear your argument to pieces... likely followed by stapling clown shoes to your feet...

It's nothing personal... I just think we should know their kind by their big floppy shoes.

[Morpheus]

Karma, who is right and who is wrong? You? Me? President Bush? There's no such thing in reality as right and wrong, simply the decision of the majority either to agree or to disagree with something. You cannot judge right or wrong without own subjectivity.

[Critta]

The US, EU or Russia or even China are no more likely to hand over control of something like this to one another, than the US is to recognize international the War crimes tribuneral; China is to ask for americas technological know how on space exploration; France, win a war; or The united kingdom become a republic.

Had to chuckle at this one.

Sorry Karma.

[DrunkenUno]

Had to chuckle at this one.

Sorry Karma.

Oh god i thought the madness had ended.

[Karmashock]

Karma, who is right and who is wrong? You? Me? President Bush? There's no such thing in reality as right and wrong, simply the decision of the majority either to agree or to disagree with something. You cannot judge right or wrong without own subjectivity.
No such thing as right or wrong?

Don't ever bring up morality or anything subjective ever again.

Which just happens to disqualify you from this very discussion. Think about the consequences of that statement.
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Had to chuckle at this one.

Sorry Karma.
Petty, trite, and unoriginal. The water headed mouth breather wants replay a moment of assumed victory? Well, enjoy... you'll soon realize that no one else is amused by your nonsense, and lacking the intelligence to say anything else... will depart.

You remain a joke.

[stats]

I now understand how you took my post out of context, Karmashock. You assumed i was replying to your post, when infact i was giving my opinion on what the origonal poster said. I was not contradicting myself either - if you do not posses the intelegence to see what i was saying then that is your problem.

I have no intention of debating my opinions on your posting, Karmashock. I have no intentions to sift through this forum and provide examples of what i believe to be one sided, un thought out nonsense and display them to you and explain how come they are, to you.

It is seems that you are unable to have 'debate' about anything without resorting to personal insults - this is sad, and i guess it is a sign of frustration. I dont mind a debate, it is part of my job (although not socail/political). But i have no intention of raising a slagging match with you.

I will not under any circumstances come back and give you specific examples for anything i say, Karmashock. you are a big boy, use your head and find them yourself. If they are not there, try and see what i may have taken out of context and - should you feel hard done bye - explain yourself a little better perhaps.

[Karmashock]

You're not even making sense now. You said something; I disagreed with it; you got upset; and 'now' you're trying cloud the issue.

Here is my post again... read and learn.
The un is the only organization capable of mounting an effective operation in response to the tsunami. End of story.

(Pre-emptive reply to the response 'America can': Right or wrong, No other government would trust the US)
Not true... you don't say no to 200 tons of rice just because it has a US sticker on it. We're saving lives out there and no one's going to turn us away because of the middle east.

Know your place and know the US's... We're the core state of the western world... Deal with it.

I would also note, that had france and germany gone along with what we're doing in Iraq, no one would be making a big stink about it. So just realize that when you talk about "world opinion" you're talking about france and germany... which is just totally fucking pointless.
As you can see, I always knew you were addressing the question of this thread. You knew that I knew that when you replied to this. So now you're saying that's a revelation to you? Get fucking real.

As to what you think of my posts, I don't really think you're one to judge. Your pathetic attempts at insulting me have been so transparent and poorly crafted that it’s a wonder you even tried it in the first place.

Lets recap so can absorb this nice and slow.

1). Opinions were asked for to start a discussion.
2). Opinions including both yours and my own were offered.
3). I started the discussion by questioning your opinions.
4). You insulted me.
5). I further commented on your opinions, and then insulted you (mostly cus’ it’s fun).

You have no high ground, so either defend you stupid ass opinions or shut up. No one here is impressed by your nonsense and no one thinks you're beyond comment or questioning. If you don't think much of my thought process and are unable to justify the claim, then it's worthless... literally meaningless. So you might as well have saved your fingers and said nothing.

Justify yourself or be ignored, Karmashock.

[Morpheus]

I said it because you always assume that you're right. What is being right? Agreeing with the majority? Or setting up some values that are right in your own opinions? Who is to say that you are in fact 'right' about your statement? Stop being so arrogant that you always have to put people down to make yourself look better. Just my own opinion, though.

[Karmashock]

Wait, so what you said about being right and wrong doesn't apply if the person doesn't think they are right all the time? Or do things suddenly become ambigious when one person comes up heads over and over?

What in fact are you saying? First you say that there is no such thing as right and wrong and now you're saying that you only said that because you felt threatened by me.

I don't know how to take your statements... what exactly do you mean. Stating your case openly and without guile will help in this understanding.

[Morpheus]

Ok. Thinking that you're right is your own opinion. Others may agree with it or disagree with it. If someone disagrees with you, it means that you think that that someone is wrong. But on the other side, it could also be viewed that you're wrong and the other person is right. My point is, who is to make the final decision on who is wrong and who is right? Noone is. One can either agree with you or disagree with you, but agreeing doesn't make you right for everyone else, just as disagreeing doesn't make you wrong.

Sigh.... What I wanted you to get from this is not to disregard other opinions so quickly. You always attack head on and put people down.

And I'm in no way threatened by you. I'm not running for the president of the US. I was expressing my opinions about your personality, feel free to disregard them completely. As long as you and I don't work together in real life, I don't really care if you do so.

[Karmashock]

Ok. Thinking that you're right is your own opinion. Others may agree with it or disagree with it. If someone disagrees with you, it means that you think that that someone is wrong. But on the other side, it could also be viewed that you're wrong and the other person is right. My point is, who is to make the final decision on who is wrong and who is right? Noone is.
Actually, you're wrong again :D

Everyone makes that choice. Eventually, there is a consensus... even if it isn't voiced... maybe we'll never know. But the fact is that someone is right and someone is wrong... usually it just takes time to prove the point.

However, it should be stated, that that is just who 'decides' who is right or wrong... not 'whether' someone is right or wrong. One is absolute while the other is arbitrary. Someone might be said to be right or wrong while the absolute is something else.

Point being, you can't say "there is no right answer" that is disrespectful to the process and the question. There are right answers and people are wrong.

One can either agree with you or disagree with you, but agreeing doesn't make you right for everyone else, just as disagreeing doesn't make you wrong.

Sigh.... What I wanted you to get from this is not to disregard other opinions so quickly. You always attack head on and put people down.
I attack what I consider insults or attacks on things I value. If you don't want bees in your hair, don't kick the hive.

And I'm in no way threatened by you. I'm not running for the president of the US. I was expressing my opinions about your personality, feel free to disregard them completely. As long as you and I don't work together in real life, I don't really care if you do so.
Unless you can back them up with something and you're willing to make a case... I really can't consider your argument even made. It's just a random muttering really... that's just the way it is...

Love and peace, Karmashock.

[Burned]

Karmashock wrote:

Quote:
One can either agree with you or disagree with you, but agreeing doesn't make you right for everyone else, just as disagreeing doesn't make you wrong.

Sigh.... What I wanted you to get from this is not to disregard other opinions so quickly. You always attack head on and put people down.


I attack what I consider insults or attacks on things I value. If you don't want bees in your hair, don't kick the hive.


The problem is u think ur always being atacked or the things u value.
When some1 has a different opinion than yours, u think ur being atacked.

[Morpheus]

Only math has correct answers that everyone knows, that is because it was designed that way. Personal opinions do not, that's what they are - personal. I don't need to back my opinions up, just like you can't back up yours. You can tell me to read history books or some politician's work - but even those are personal opinions, noone has to agree with them. You can a get a majority to agree with your opinions, but so can I. Just a process of selecting right group of people.

Bottom line - you stick to your opinions and I will stick to mine. I never tried to force mine on you, just shared them with you. That's the difference between you and me - you refuse to be opened up to different ideas, you always try to crush the opposition and make it look stupid - IMO that's forcing your opinions on others.

[JADezimar]

The problem is u think ur always being atacked or the things u value.
When some1 has a different opinion than yours, u think ur being atacked.

Seems like everytime I turn around someones bashing on the united States. Id grow a defensive complex too.

[Burned]

Seems like everytime I turn around someones bashing on the united States. Id grow a defensive complex too.


Im just talking about Karma, not about the US

[JADezimar]

Im just talking about Karma, not about the US

Exactly

[Karmashock]

The problem is u think ur always being atacked or the things u value.
When some1 has a different opinion than yours, u think ur being atacked.
Cite an example. I think you'll find that every time I snaped, something I value was being attacked.

In many cases my people are called out right evil. I'm on many forums... and on most of them the US is openly refered to as the "great satan", I come prepared for war.
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Bottom line - you stick to your opinions and I will stick to mine. I never tried to force mine on you, just shared them with you. That's the difference between you and me - you refuse to be opened up to different ideas, you always try to crush the opposition and make it look stupid - IMO that's forcing your opinions on others.
Nope... If you come and make a humble statement, then I'll make a humble reply. If you bodly call the US facists, then the gloves come off...

Review our exchanges.