Tsunami Disaster in Asia and Africa

[tom]

I just find it hard to believe that this is capable of happening, but it truly has. In one even alone, all 1000 people aboard a train were killed when the tsunami smashed it to pieces. Yet that is only 1/70th of those believed killed so far, with the toll rising alarmingly every hour.

I wouldn't be surprised if it surpasses 100,000. Horrible, just horrible. :(

(P.S. I realize Celtic started another thread in the Political and Social forum, but that is more of a thread in regards to the war in Iraq while this is a thread devoted entirely to this subject)

[Justice]

Also ... a town in Indonesia with population 1,000 was totally annihilated by the tsunami.

:(

Lives could have been prevented if there were early warning systems in place, and communications between the governments and coastal areas were good enough.

Problem was, even if the governments knew about these tsunamis and earthquakes, they still couldn't have done anything because there's no way to communicate effectively in-land to coastal areas ... these countries we're talking about aren't the richest on the planet. The fact that the tsunami reached Africa and killed people is kind of crazy ... after the waves strike India, you wouldn't expect some of the people there to have at least some warning?

1/3 of the victims were children, too ... :( Right now the death toll hovers around 80,000, and diseases and more dead bodies still being discovered will easily propel the toll above the 100,000 mark.

Even more frustrating is the U.N., who had to destroy U.S.-U.N. relations at a time when it's most important.

Taken from CNN News:


Sri Lanka: 23,015

India: At least 10,000

Indonesia: 45,268

Thailand: 1,830

Myanmar: 90

Malaysia: 65

Maldives: 46

Tanzania: 10

Bangladesh: 2

Somalia: Kenyan media reports hundreds dead

Kenya: Kenyan media reports one death

Seychelles: Unconfirmed reports of deaths




The U.S. has 6 sensitive buoys in the Pacific Ocean to monitor for tsunami activity hours before any reach the Pacific Coast of the U.S. However, the U.S. doesn't have any sensors on the Eastern coast. If one of these things from across the Atlantic were to strike us, we would have little to no warning.

cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-

[Shackled Phoenix]

Shouldn't this still go into the political forum?

anyways, yeah this is sad. I wish i could do go help with the rescue effort, or atleast donate some food/water/cloths/etc but there's no drives anywhere around near me.

I'm growing kind of pissed at the local news stations who keep talking about the "hundreds of american tourists" lost in the disaster. i just wanna scream at the TV shouting "WTF?! like the tens of thousands of OTHER people killed don't fucking matter?"

I don't believe in a god, but for those that do, i'll be praying for them, whatever god they worship.

Edit, we don't have the buoy's in the atlantic because there's very little seismic activity in comparison to the pacific.

[Tigre]

Very terrible! I heard a report that the actual quake interrupted the earths axis for a few minutes and slowed the rate of spin also....who knows whats going to happen with the weather now.....

The stories of survival are just incredible and horrifying. I thank God I moved to Arizona, I don't ever want to be witness to another natural disaster again!

[Justice]

No, Tigre.

It isn't quite strong enough to affect Earth's rotation for several minutes, but it actually did make the day the earthquake happened shorter by a few milliseconds.

cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-

[CELTIC_2X]

is it true that the plates in qustion only move 5cm a year? but in this qauke they moved 50cm all at once?

did the wave reach kenya as well?

note that all of wat i just said was secound hand info, and i am acutualy asking u.

my regards again to all those ppl afected by this disaster.

[Tigre]

No, Tigre.

It isn't quite strong enough to affect Earth's rotation for several minutes, but it actually did make the day the earthquake happened shorter by a few milliseconds.

cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-


Ok, maybe not a few minutes but look....article on wobble (http://www.dawn.com/2004/12/29/int2.htm)

[CELTIC_2X]

I'm growing kind of pissed at the local news stations who keep talking about the "hundreds of american tourists" lost in the disaster. i just wanna scream at the TV shouting "WTF?! like the tens of thousands of OTHER people killed don't fucking matter?"

umm well, if u do meen local news like ur county or town news then they r right to, even my wee channel report news we get here were talking aboot the 3 jerseys out there at the time, wicth is fine, the bigger stations handle the whole picture as it were.

if u meen like CNN or wateva, then they still hav to mention the US death toll, b/c its close to home, i dont no how they hav presented there reports, but the SKY news channel over here has been talking aboot the britons lost or mising, but also the masive death toll of the acident,

so unless the channel in qustion is a bunch of fucktards i am sure they speak evenly between the US dead and the rest, and i wouldnt take it to heart.

i hate feeling so helpless, i donated a 100 quid i had in my bank but i would rather be there u no helping, i just cant stand it.

[elliot/obee1]

tsunamis are so deadly because if u dont have a seismic instrument, u only c it comming when it hits shore = too late
also they move very fast. the early warning systems save lives but pople will still die in some cases, not as many

[Blacksand]

It's a natural disaster. Hence the 'natural' moniker. People die, immortals do not exist insofar as I know. These things happen, and while I can agree it is a terrible event .. it's no skin off my nose. You'll get my sympathy when someone nukes Virginia.

[2biT]

I watched a program on this type of event and they reconned that it would happen in the next 5 years (i saw it arround 2001), they throught it would be one of the american costs (i forget which) that got hit..i guess they where close..

btw even if there was a warning say from the bristish earthquake place (that measures and picks up any vibration on the planet - it picked up a minor explosion/impact damage on the kurusk before it sank half way across the world...its that good) i dont believe there would be much the people could have done anyway..

[Tigre]

Scientists at the Geological Institute in Geneva have concluded that the earth's axis wobbled at a 3.5 degree off the normal 21 degree axis 200 plus seconds.....according to TV5 Francaise, I have satellite for this channel only for my mother in-law and wife (from Paris). Its great to watch the news from a different perspective. The French love to get down and dirty to report the news, they dig alot deeper than the American news channels.

[ilia]

I second Black. Things like that just happen, and all the technology in the world cannot ensure in 100% that they cause no harm.

[CELTIC_2X]

ur a ignorent prick,

have some fucking respect, 75,000 ppl r dead, wtf is wrong with u, u r proveing to be a disgusting human being.

ur get no sympathie from black aye, ur a fucking twat, those ppl shouldnt hav died, but they did and if u disrespect those poor ppl then u r a joke to humanity,

more serious is the situation now that disease may cause thousands of more deaths, yet black here doesnt seem to think that they deserve our help.

i hope u hav a horrific death as well u cunt.

[Karmashock]

funny thing is that they're saying that very very few animals died in all of this...

Apparently the animals were better prepared then the people... which is kind of telling.

[eXoRciSt]

Yea, mom just told em bout, it, like in "The Day After Tommorow", its supposed to affect where i live, and itll probably snow here, (FOR THE FIRST TIEM IN 15 YEARS OMGWTFWOOOOOOOOOOOT)

[Delta]

yea its crazy..... its a pitty that had to happen

[Mistress Crystal]

I'm with Black. Mother nature tends to have a habit of taking revenge sometimes. Nothing you can do about it.

(BTW - Love the sig, Tigre. I giggled.)

[Bentusi]

Celtic.

There's a difference between saying mother nature is a bitch and saying that it was a good thing for those people to die.

Personally, I think it's a trajedy that people died. But i'm not running around blaming people for their deaths. Nature killed them like she kills 90% of the entire human race.

[eXoRciSt]

wow.... 3 people died here, i think, 50,000 poeple died where it started :(

[CELTIC_2X]

read wat black said in my post in the pollitical forum and c wat i meen.

[tom]

Animals have a sense for these sort of things. They can "feel" it coming, which is why they flee.

People don't have that sense, however.

[Delta]

which is why we need to strap animals into machines or such :P :thumbup only a matter of time though lol

[Tigre]

Animals have a sense for these sort of things. They can "feel" it coming, which is why they flee.

People don't have that sense, however.

Actually, we do, its just that most of us choose to ignore it, you know that voice in the back of your head, the one that tells you shouldn't be in a situation somewhere and then you tell yourself it will be ok. Life is choice and chance, you just made the wrong decision at the worst happenstance. But there was that feeling you had just before you made the decision to stay. Animals have instinct, they don't get to make the choice most of the time.

[JADezimar]

I'm growing kind of pissed at the local news stations who keep talking about the "hundreds of american tourists" lost in the disaster. i just wanna scream at the TV shouting "WTF?! like the tens of thousands of OTHER people killed don't fucking matter?"

Pheonix this is the kinda mindless bullshit that americans are being raised with these days. Your sympathies dont lye where they should. They should firsts lye with your country men not the fucking strangers.

It's a natural disaster. Hence the 'natural' moniker. People die, immortals do not exist insofar as I know. These things happen, and while I can agree it is a terrible event .. it's no skin off my nose. You'll get my sympathy when someone nukes Virginia.

RIGHT on!

[MVB]

You don't early warning system a 500mph wave generated 65 miles off shore (which is what happened to Aceh). I'm sorry.

Still is a horrible event, just horrible.

[Morpheus]

Jad, your thinking is the bs one. No better than communism was - "screw everyone, we're the best humans in the world!"

[eXoRciSt]

I cant wait until we evolve.

[Karmashock]

evolution doesn't take you where you would think... you might go back to swinging from trees...

[eXoRciSt]

:(

[ilia]

In case Celtic's first post was directed at me:

I didnt disrespect those who died. I myself live in a country where every week something horrible happens. If I were to attend to all these things even 1/20 the attention I would attend to a personal tragedy, my already-sensitive nerve system would just collapse under all the presure of having to be really sorry about the deaths of all those people.

Sure it is horrible, and might have been preventable, but as hard as it sounds - I dont feel too sad about it. Not becuase I dont think it's a horrible thing (I already said that it IS a horrible event), but becuase I cannot show my sorrow for all the people in this world who die from unnatural death. To me there is little difference whether a person was killed by flooding, or say - bitten to death by a poisonous snake. The sole fact that the number of pople who were killed is huge doesnt mean anything. I can assure you that more people are killed in car accidents worldwide every-year. Yes, thats more than 120,000 as they say now.
The only situation it would worry me, is if it was threatening to disrupt the population balance ina sever way, or if among the dead would be people I cared for.

[Tigre]

evolution doesn't take you where you would think... you might go back to swinging from trees...

OH YAY!! I REALLY LIKE BANANAS!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Psy]

Some of you just made me ashamed of sharing the same species. You also provided a telling example of why this world is so fucked up as it is.

I guess even the timing of this disaster is lost on people.

As for virginia nuke comment, I wanted to say I wish that would happen so that you may not get any sumpathy from us, but I actually have the capacity for empathy.

I do not watch the reports altho I have been forced to see a 30 min special. I have to force myself to detach and not give in to emotion.

Pheonix this is the kinda mindless bullshit that americans are being raised with these days. Your sympathies dont lye where they should. They should firsts lye with your country men not the fucking strangers.

I guess Bin Ladin's sympathies lie where they should then, after all, those people were all simple strangers.

United States of Hypocricy. Luckily there is some humanity left no matter the loud uneducated, heartless sons of bitches.

If I could trade the dead children for such people I would do it in an instant.

[Mistress Crystal]

None of us are saying it's a good thing, Psy. There's just nothing you can do about it.

To me, there's a difference between when someone deliberately kills 3,000 people and when a natural disaster occurs and people die. I've dealt with death all my life, and it simply doesn't bother me anymore. It's sad, yes, but it's weak to be ruled by emotions. The only way to go is forward.

In my view of world, life is all the same in all carbon based life forms. A rat is just as alive as a human is. It's the memories of people that makes them special. Not life. Life isn't as precious as some people might think, humans come by the billions.

It is my understanding that this part of the world was one of the, if not the most densely populated regions of the world? That India's population was soon to surpass China's or something?

Again, I don't disagree that it is very sad, but at the same time nature has a tendency to take solving problems into it's own hands.

[Justice]

I find it interesting that we "evolve" and "adapt" only after a natural disaster has struck.

Take for example the Titanic. It went down, but the majority of the people who were on the ship could have been saved if there were enough lifeboats on the ship to accomodate everyone. It was only AFTER the disaster that governments started to put laws into place that you had to have more lifeboat capacity than passengers at all times ...

The point here isn't how to prevent the EARTHQUAKE or TSUNAMI from happening, which I see in a lot of people's posts ... the point is to try and prevent people from DYING from that earthquake or tsunami happening.


cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-

[ilia]

A large 2.5 meter high wave is coming for you. If you dont have any where to hide from it, youd better strart planning what you will do in the afterlife. I second Misty Ive read too many Stephen King books to be disturbed by such things. The only thing being face to face with death could cause me would be a sense of disbelief and the first chock. But not a trauma, since I am constantly training myself to prepare for the worst of things and situations.

[Psy]

There is a disctinction between personal grief and grief caused by tragedy of this scale. My day is "unafacted" and I do "move on", but frankly to minimize someones life based on the fact he/she is unknown or born under a different flag is plain wrong.

I am not suffering from trauma or emotional damage, I am suffering from being disgusted at the hypocricy, and saddened by the lack of humanity in some of the "opinions".

And justice huge effort and war mongering went into a number 35 times less, lets see how much effort goes into technologies thast exist today to prevent this from happeneing again. (listening stations, warning systems, wave breakers, flood channels, etc etc). Frankly it would cost a cent for every dollar that went into a war effort.

You don't early warning system a 500mph wave generated 65 miles off shore (which is what happened to Aceh). I'm sorry.

A 8 minute warning MVB is hardly insignificant, even with human propensity for panick and rush, given 7 minutes of knowledge of whats happening, or about to happen as foresight would have probably saved a great many lives.


Will it happen? History says no. Some of the comments from pathetic exuses for a human being present here say no also, I pray I am wrong.

[2biT]

Sorry i dont morn the loss of human beings, as we are all shitty. As for the world trade center...

About god dam time.

[JADezimar]

Im sick of people pointing fingers at me cuase I dont want to go jump on the first plane down there and help people. The next time one of my family members die you bitches gonna donate me some money or something ?

[CELTIC_2X]

In case Celtic's first post was directed at me:

I didnt disrespect those who died. I myself live in a country where every week something horrible happens. If I were to attend to all these things even 1/20 the attention I would attend to a personal tragedy, my already-sensitive nerve system would just collapse under all the presure of having to be really sorry about the deaths of all those people.

Sure it is horrible, and might have been preventable, but as hard as it sounds - I dont feel too sad about it. Not becuase I dont think it's a horrible thing (I already said that it IS a horrible event), but becuase I cannot show my sorrow for all the people in this world who die from unnatural death. To me there is little difference whether a person was killed by flooding, or say - bitten to death by a poisonous snake. The sole fact that the number of pople who were killed is huge doesnt mean anything. I can assure you that more people are killed in car accidents worldwide every-year. Yes, thats more than 120,000 as they say now.
The only situation it would worry me, is if it was threatening to disrupt the population balance ina sever way, or if among the dead would be people I cared for.

ok but i wasnt talking to u.

[Justice]

Death toll pushes up to 120,000.

:(

I'm still trying to comprehend how many people that is. I can compare this disaster and relief effort more to a war than a natural disaster.

cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-

[Karmashock]

I find it interesting that we "evolve" and "adapt" only after a natural disaster has struck.
Evolution isn't that simple... Simply making something cheaper or slightly more expensive will make things evolve. Any pressure that can change the prosperity of the players will effect thier shape and nature... it only takes time.

The great evolution of humans is that we mental evolution... which is not a reference to the brain, but rather the collective memories of billions of people.

When we get good at genetic engineering and start using our memories to alter our genes within generations it will be a change in life no less profound then the invention of Sex... and yes, I did say invention... one micro organism developed it billions of years ago... It make evolution progress forward thousands of times faster... Genetic engineering could easily be millions or billions of times faster then sex... even with mistakes.

Back to those poor people though... we all pray for them... and will send what we can.

This is all we mortals can do, Karmashock.

[Shackled Phoenix]

Pheonix this is the kinda mindless bullshit that americans are being raised with these days. Your sympathies dont lye where they should. They should firsts lye with your country men not the fucking strangers.

No THAT is, and that's exactly why most of the rest of the world fucking hates us. Why the hell is someone in conneticut more important that someone in indonesia. Newsflash, American's are no more important in this world than any other, and it's comments like yours that makes it so god damn hard for me to be proud of this damn country.

Sand, i don't exactly agree with your opinion, whether dying by nature or by man, death still sucks. Nevertheless, you're entitled to it, and from your post and from knowing you, had you had the power, i'd imagine you still would have prevented it.
I don't think Black's trying to say this is a good thing, or that it's not a tragic event, simply that it's not as sad as had man caused it.

[CELTIC_2X]

i hadnt read the whole rest of this thread being to preocupied with a certain some 1 eles,

u ppl r off ur heads, JAD u r scum psy is a 100% right, JAD u stupid cunt u say they dont matter b/c there not from the US? ur a just a joke and i cant beleave u ppl think like this,

some of u get the right idea, some of u need to take a good look at wat thsese ppl r saying, and the ppl saying it well god 4bid u ever bumb into me walking down the street.

"The next time one of my family members die you bitches gonna donate me some money" JAD that coment is not only stupid, proves ur dumb aswell it has nothing to do with this situation, and u r just scum.

u little bastards need to learn some dam respect, 4 other nationality's the dead the living and the dieing, and just 4 the whole dam human race.

[JADezimar]

Newsflash, American's are no more important in this world than any other, and it's comments like yours that makes it so god damn hard for me to be proud of this damn country.

I dont think you understand, If you go to any other nation. They do put there own countryman firsts. They do know where there sympathies should lye. It severely ticks me off you care more about some people in India more than you would some of your own countryman.

and it's comments like yours that makes it so god damn hard for me to be proud of this damn country.

I find that disgusting. I am preaching patriotisms and you dog it. Talking about some foreing country. If you think India is so great and America sucks so much ass move there? Or stfu. Think about it, why do you live here? If its so god damn horrible, I mean If we alwayz thought about the others before our own country I guess we could still be paying taxes to England and be poor idiots. I guess thats your ideal of the perfect world. Cuase you eat up all the mindless bullshit everyone wants to tell you. About how were selfless and other nations are not pfft. Grow up and learn to think for yourself and not use the ideas of others. So before you want to talk to me like you just did think, atleast I was being respectable. Piss off or keep your comments intelligent.

Sand, i don't exactly agree with your opinion, whether dying by nature or by man, death still sucks. Nevertheless, you're entitled to it, and from your post and from knowing you, had you had the power, i'd imagine you still would have prevented it.
I don't think Black's trying to say this is a good thing, or that it's not a tragic event, simply that it's not as sad as had man caused it.

Im basically Saying exactly fucking what Sand did. I never said it was a goddamn good think you fucking moron. Dont accuse me of it.

Btw next time one of my family members die. You better come down here and hold my goddamn hand since you want to hold there hands over there.

u ppl r off ur heads, JAD u r scum

You are being scum for juding the way you are and not being able to hold up a mature debate-converstation without getting rude and slamning people. You need to grow up a bit I think. This subject is severly ticking me off with the disrespect and attitudes of you jack asses in here. You misinterpreting every thing I said you didnt even read the whole thread. I never ever said it was a good thing. So Grow up and learn to stop making mistakes -_-.

"The next time one of my family members die you bitches gonna donate me some money" JAD that coment is not only stupid, proves ur dumb aswell it has nothing to do with this situation, and u r just scum.


Celtic your scum for judging me before even knowing me or even interpreting what I said properly. What im fucking saying is scuzbags like you are like omfg some indian died. But when a tragedy here at home happens you go on about your business. Just like with the flordia hurricanes etc. you dont give a fuck. I never said it was a good thing you asshole.

Exactly My point. If a tragedy happened to me or at home you wouldnt care. But you care about this go fucking figure.

[Bentusi]

and following the recent trend of this subject to get locked.. this one is too.

I realize alot of you feel strongly over this, but this is the 2nd thread I've locked for flaming, along with another that I simply deleted in it's entirety.

The one in the political forum is open for now. But for christs sake restrain yourselves from flaming.

Like grandma said, if you don't have anything to say nicely.. sit down and shut the fuck up