Cancer

[JADezimar]

Im destined to get cancer, do you know why ? Today I had a bowl of soup. First I ate carrots, Studies show they may give you cancer.
2nd I ate Chicken, Studies show they may give you cancer.
3rd I ate rice, Studies show they may give you cancer.
4th I ate beans, Studies show they may give you cancer.
4th I ate celery, Studies show they may give you cancer.
I ate outta a ceramic bowl, Studies show they may give cancer.
I had a Soda Studies show they may give you cancer.

I c a pattern hear. Is there anything that doesnt give you cancer? Im very sick and tired of these studies which in turn kill stocks, Cuase a panik etc.

End of Story I guess until I remember the name of the drug company oh yeah!

Pfizer. I think the lawyers are gonna costs us more than anything!

P.S any intelligent person can descern what I said here so dont complain about my posts. Cuase im too lazy to elaborate more. Im busy eating my cancererous food.

[P$Ü(||0]

well i usually dont care of shit that tells me that there is a chance of 0,00000000000000000001 % to get cancer if i eat something

I much more care about the HIv studies

[Justice]

Everything causes cancer.

So suck it up and just live.

cheers, and
-=</|awesomeparty|\>=-

[The Dark Messenger]

Opposing authority causes cancer.

[Ummon]

When I went to my first oncology lesson, the professor opened his class thus:

"Almost everything worth experiencing in life may cause cancer".

[MVB]

My mom had cancer. She got it partially due to smoking.

A nasty paper cut to the wrong location can kill you.
A high velocity bullet can kill you.

The appropriate response to draw from those things is not "anything can kill you," but rather "a bullet is way more likely to kill you than a nasty paper cut."

It's ridiculous, IMO, to make statements like "almost everything worth experiencing in life may cause cancer," when you really should state "many things may cause it, but a few things, such as smoking, are actually LIKELY to cause it, so don't be a feckin' dumbass with your life choices."

-- MV"$.02"B

[CELTIC_2X]

such as smoking, are actually LIKELY to cause it, so don't be a feckin' dumbass with your life choices."

that is the fucking best advice u can ever get,

just dont do it, and hav a long happy life.

[Karmashock]

mostly getting old causes cancer...

[Ummon]

No, actually getting old may reduce your chances of dieing of cancer in many cases.

Anyway, MVB, the statement was meant to point out that cancer may be caused by an infinite combination of factors (which differ from subject to subject too). Smoke is surely one thing to avoid.

But the nature of that statement is paradoxical, it means: do not worry of the X paper published by university Y, because there are countless papers on possible causes of cancer. Live a healthy life avoiding acknowledged risks and that's it.

[Karmashock]

Ummon... what age do people get cancer at... do a little mental statistical bell curve...

Thank you :rolleyes: , Karmashock.

[MVB]

Karma, my good high school friend got cancer at the age of 13. My mother got cancer at the age of 35. Old people do not necessarily get cancer, period. It strikes the middle-aged areas hardest, and strikes old and young people as well.

Much of cancer is genetic, and not environmental, and even environmentally-induced cancer is often found in people with a genetic predisposition for it. This genetic likelihood or predisposition usually gains the full potential for being enacted after the age of 30 or 40, and at the latest usually 50. It's not about getting old; it's about the individual likelihood of getting it, given a combination of genetic and environmental factors. If I'm not predisposed to cancer at all, and don't engage in any dangerous cancer-inducing activities such as smoking or taking baths in formaldehyde, I'm as likely to get it at 80 as I am at 20.

[Ummon]

In the 70-80-90 year range, cancer declines severely as a cause of death, and if you don't die of cancer before 70, your chances to do so are near nonexistent. So, in truth, cancer does not come with age. Some kinds, are actually quite exclusive of youth.

Epidemiology is quite more complicated than a bell curve.

[Shackled Phoenix]

well for one thing ummon 70+ you've got alotta other things that kill you before cancer even has time. "the cancer he had kill him?" "nope, heart attack got him first"

[Ummon]

Actually, yes, but that's not the only reason.

[Karmashock]

Still, I would bet that most cancer deaths happen to people in their late fifties or sixties... after 80 I would agree that it's less likely... but these are the times when it hits.

[Ummon]

Cell replication rate decreases exponentially in 70+ year old people, cancer in those cases is tendentially not malignant. That is just an example.

Many types of cancer have high death rates in the 50-65 range. Since mutation damage is stocastic in nature, age IS a factor, but it is not the only factor. DNA repair enzyme types are another. Efficiency of the immune system. Life habits too. Personality types are quite relevant in determining cancer susceptibility, believe it or not. Environemental carcinogens. And so on.

One person might smoke is whole life and never get cancer, because he/she is a type A personality with excellent repair enzymes and/or immune system, and because he/she is lucky. Another person might be young, fit, have good habits, never smoke, and yet develop cancer because he/she has bad repair enzymes and/or immune system, has been infected by EBV, is type B, and he/she is unlucky.

It's very, very random.

[Karmashock]

I don't dispute that... just that old people tend to get cancer more then anyone else.

[MVB]

did you simply not read my post at all?

it's simply untrue that old people get it more than anyone else

[Karmashock]

did you simply not read my post at all?

it's simply untrue that old people get it more than anyone else
I heard you, I just didn't think it was true.

I did some research and have seen NOTHING to back up your claim. I know you have some medical knowledge and aren't stupid... so please provide me with a link.

Here is one of several links I looked at...
http://edcenter.med.cornell.edu/CUMC_PathNotes/Neoplasia/Neoplasia_07.html

Notice how the bell curve rises as you reach your fifties, peakes in your sixties and seventies, and then falls off after that.

If old age were not a factor then the curve would either be flat or slanted towards the young... neither is true.

I demand a link.

[2biT]

My view:

Canser is natures way of controling the population.

Reason:
I think canser like some genetic disorsders, are built into your genes, and if everyone lives long enough you will get some form of canser/disorder. Its just that people live alot longer now then they used to pre 20th centurary. So these genetic defects are becomming more apartent..

[DrunkenUno]

Being a huge faggot causes cancer.

Watchout MVB.

[Karmashock]

I'm still waiting for a link. I was brow beaten by some people that claimed to understand cancer statistics better then myself... and I claim to be no expert. All I know is that I and my friends have all lost loved ones to cancer when they were in their 60s to 80s. None of us have lost anyone outside of those ages. Is that hard statistical fact? Of course not... It's highly anecdotal and rather personal. So I did some research and found that in fact most people do develop cancer in their later years. While environmental factors and genetics are the likely root causes of this syndrome... It tends to actually develop in one's later years... as the end result of said environmental factors and poor genetics.

Love and Peace, Karmashock.

[Ummon]

A 80 year old person has lot less chance to die of cancer than a 55 year one. A 80 year old person is older than a 55 year one. Age is not the factor behind cancer.

[Karmashock]

Actually, the complications alone at that age make it far more dangerous. I would much rather contract cancer at 20 or 30 then at 80 when my system is strained just stay alive as is.

Age is when cancer is more likely to present itself as the statistics I showed demonstrated. You still haven't produced anything to for me to even look at. Honestly, it is time in your argument for you to produce evidence. Otherwise, I have nothing to go on but your word. Which frankly, at this juncture, is not enough.

I have perviously agreed that environmental conditions and genetics are the prime determinants of whether a person gets cancer or not. However, my point is that older age is when it tends to present itself... and where it is more likely to kill. Of course, a simple flu can kill many at those ages, so you might discard the point.

Either way, Age is most certainly a factor that no one can reasonably reject. If you think I'm wrong, then I challenge you to present conflicting statistics or reinterpret my statistics in a way that is favorable to your position. To do less is to surrender the point.

Do as you will, Karmashock.

[Ummon]

A factor, not THE factor. Precision is the premise of science.

[amir]

Well i htink people think that older people get cancer because they might have ogt it when they were younger but it wasnt found or something like that.
Meaning that the cancer has been eating in side them for a while so when there older and more vunrable it hit's them.
It's just what i think it might not be true so don't everybody start shouting at me if it isn't.
and you know people who live with smoker's inhail something % of the smoke can u die from that ? i was just wondering

[Karmashock]

A factor, not THE factor. Precision is the premise of science.
Eh... I'll worry about cancer as I age... at this age and at middle age I will have little to no fear of it.

I think primarily I was reflecting this obvious reality in my post. Once you hit 50 you should start having your prostate examined... and all that fun stuff... cancer is not something the young really have to worry about.

Both of my grandparents on my mother's side died from cancer at a pretty old age... both were nearly 80... However, they were both very heavy smokers. My grandfather smoked a lot of cigars and my grandmother loved her cigarettes. It was funny... they were the only old people I have ever met that made smoking at that age look so damned elegant.

Anyway, I have two friends that have also lost family to cancer… and both of them were pretty similar… Both had environmental conditions that probably were the root cause… though they were all relatively healthy until they developed the syndrome in the twilight of their lives.

[Larsson7]

Being a huge faggot causes cancer.

This is the only true statement in this thread.

Oh and smoking kicks ass. I love smoking and if it gives me cancer I dont give a flying fuck.

Please feel free to quote this post if I ever start a thread with "I just got diagnosed with Lung Cancer"

[Ummon]

Carcinogens have 2 effects:

1) dose-dependent
2) dose-independent

2) increases with the passing of time, this is why many forms of cancer affect old people.

But fo example, Neuroblastoma affects only children. Many other exceptions come to mind, including many types of lynphoma and leukemya which generally affect only people who are in the 20-40 range.

In truth, if you were an old woman, you'd need to worry much more of self-immune diseases than cancer.

Finally, prostate cnacer, for example, starts its developement during youth, only it increases in size and becomes more malignant very slowly.

Simplifications like "cancer comes with age" are just meaningless.

[Karmashock]

agreed... but you must admit that risk of cancer does go up with age... you can't argue with the numbers... unless you want to punch a brick wall... which is fun too...

[stats]

Interesting fact:

the cell lines i work with (NB-4, HL-60 and usHL-60) we're origonally extracted from cancer patients about 30 years ago. I use them in the devopment and standardisation of an assay used to test the effectiveness of pneumonia vaccines.this one (http://www.vaccine.uab.edu/double%20OPKA%204.pdf ) But they are used for many many other things in medical research. In a strange sort of way it's a little part of the people who died, the part that killed them infact - Living on long after they have passed away and saving thousands of lives...

or atleast thats how i like to look at it 8)

[Lucid Angel]

I remember one of the very first lectures I had on my Radiography Degree was "Everything gives you cancer".... so we're all stuffed basically! At the moment the official statistics are that 1 in 3 people will get some form of cancer and that of those people 1 in 4 will not recover.

[Karmashock]

and the older you are... the more you've had "everything"... exposure to the world and time...