shaman healing way.

[shamse]

So im returning as a resto healing whore shammy when the next patch arrives.
Now before i go ahead and spend all my free talent points into the resto tree there is the matter og the new talent, Healing way.

Im not gonna spend any points in this talent unless we'r gonna use shamans as main healers, meaning about 3-4 shamans with this talent for it to be effective enough for use.

Anyway anyone else gonna put points into this talent or what are the shammy's gonna do after patch 1.11 talent wise ?=)

(main reason for full resto would still be manatide and improvede mana stream totem.. mana <3

[TooTall]

Indeed mana tide and mana stream totem <3

[MT Silver]

Healing way ftw
:gay:

[Vildoomer]

gh3y... im in a spamming mood <3

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FUCK YOU DAMN FORUM TYING TO INTERUPT MY SPAM!

[TooTall]

Oh yes just looked it up, healing way sounds good to me. It's timer is probably gonna be refresed everytime you get a new one up, which means you are most likely going to keep it up during the entire fight. I would take it as a resto shaman.

[shamse]

Ok nice. then i'll take it =)
Healing wave spamming ftw then XD

[blenzie]

:O AGREE WITH AGNA FOR ONCES RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH SPAM!

[shamse]

stfu!

[Vildoomer]

No, Were hijacking threads and your thread just became a victim! HA!

[shamse]

Go kill yourself with hellfire or somethin.... =P

[Vildoomer]

Only when we do not have a rogue or a scholo keyholder.

[Cuttroat]

>_>

[Clouku]

<_<
*waves his key around*

[Vildoomer]

But I like commiting suicide..

[TooTall]

*Agnatal tries to commit suicide*
*You heal Agnatal*
*Agnatal is teleported to UC*
Agnatal: FUCK ;_;

[Vildoomer]

screw you! Im so not doing DM with you anymore!

[shamse]

OMG it whines !!!!

[K-MaN]

I think this will be my talent tree after the patch

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/1p11/shaman/talents.html?0000000000000005005030115000000250302 013553101

[Vildoomer]

Hej get out of my thread kman.. the subject of shaman talents was thrown away a long long time ago!

[blenzie]

AGNA KEEP UP THE FORUM SPAMMING:> /inv agnatal to group for spamm:D:P

[TooTall]

I think this will be my talent tree after the patch

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/1p11/shaman/talents.html?0000000000000005005030115000000250302 013553101

I would take purification over tidal mastery, as a healer you can't rely on crits though they are nice when you have ancestral healing.

[Vildoomer]

STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT!

[shamse]

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/1p11/shaman/talents.html?0000000000000004000000000000000550350 513553151

Im just gonna use my shammy for raids anyway until the expansion arrives so im going all out healing whore

[K-MaN]

I would take purification over tidal mastery, as a healer you can't rely on crits though they are nice when you have ancestral healing.


Your right Tootall, I cant rely on crits and I dont. But i want the the crits for my other spells :P I have used that talent since the first time I could :)
But since you are right and I realy dont grind that much anymore at all :P I'll use purification :)

[K-MaN]

We love you shamse :) But you wont grind fast witht that talent build :P

[shamse]

Well dont really need to grind anything for ZG or AQ20.
so no not really =)

[TooTall]

Pots + runes?
CC rep?
Felwood stuff?

:P

[Marb]

Serious Krag, your guild needs smaller signatures. /angry

[shamse]

Legashi demons are way to easy to grind anyway.
dont need any fellwood stuff for the smaller instances.
I can buy pots with rank 6.
So nope no need for grinding really =)

[blenzie]

SHADAAP :P DONT SAY GOOD THINGS SPAM!!!!

[shamse]

go jerk off agnatal in your spam thread =P

[K-MaN]

Well there is always something to grind but we wont complain :) Well btw, the guild always needs donations, without them the guild cant afford to live :P Greater Fire, Frost and Nature Protection Potions, if not even shadow I dunno :P food .. All I'm saying is that there is ALWAYS something taht you need to do :P And I know btw taht some ppl are tierd of beeing the only ones donating :) We should all take part in giving something to guild like potions, money, mats for all kinds of things :)

[TheJohn]

Now I'm gonna link my new build and then you are all gonna hate me :P

http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?uZxVMdVMhtVbep

[TooTall]

Well there is always something to grind but we wont complain :) Well btw, the guild always needs donations, without them the guild cant afford to live :P Greater Fire, Frost and Nature Protection Potions, if not even shadow I dunno :P food .. All I'm saying is that there is ALWAYS something taht you need to do :P And I know btw taht some ppl are tierd of beeing the only ones donating :) We should all take part in giving something to guild like potions, money, mats for all kinds of things :)

Three blacklotusses in like 1 month enough of a donation ;)?

[TooTall]

Now I'm gonna link my new build and then you are all gonna hate me :P

http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?uZxVMdVMhtVbep

NOOO Not a damage shaman >_>.

No serious: TheJohn you're one of those that deserve a damage specc for now, since you've been resto for ages now.

Oh and btw, wtb guild supported shadow specc >_>.

[Clouku]

NOOO Not a damage shaman >_>.

No serious: TheJohn you're one of those that deserve a damage specc for now, since you've been resto for ages now.

Oh and btw, wtb guild supported shadow specc >_>.


I hate to say this...but...

in the current situation in terms of progress, if Thejohn is a active shamana who raids mostly, he may still need to be resto for a good while yet, even after the patch

It can make all the difference at the start of Molten Core, just as BWL can make the difference once ya move into there (and I know that much, i went full resto for it, was worth it).

[TooTall]

I hate to say this...but...

in the current situation in terms of progress, if Thejohn is a active shamana who raids mostly, he may still need to be resto for a good while yet, even after the patch

It can make all the difference at the start of Molten Core, just as BWL can make the difference once ya move into there (and I know that much, i went full resto for it, was worth it).

Yeah maybe to strat with atleast 21 points would be nice, I've always been saying druids and shamans should atleast spend 21 points in resto to get NS (WAFER YOU NUB GO 30/0/21 NOW!).

But then again it never was our intention to force certain speccs, but resto shamans will probably get priority, but then again TheJohn is a very good dpser, he even was with his resto specc.

EDIT: oh I was kidding about the shadow specc, just make sure I can join on TooT once in a while and I'll be happy ;).

[Clouku]

Well I'm not one to say "you're gonna be resto, kthx"

The only problem is...I suppose that u need to find out if being casual on specs work, but imo, when u start, ure gonna need the right build for PvE, and all the best gear outside 20 mans as a minimum (it makes all the difference, too)

I'm not exactly the most knowlagable, but I do know resto shamans and druids and holy priest are what give HUGE progress in raids, as well as protection tanks, and so on and so forth :P causes less problems.

Of course, if you can prove me wrong and do Raggy with waves of shadow priests and so on, i'd be happy to see ^^ but hey...I've been there in MC before, and like i said, can make a difference in progress and beating Raggy especially.

Your choices of course, I'm only teh nub here :p

[TheJohn]

Its true that you cant have a guild full of oomkin shadow priests and enh shammies, But one of each can actually be usefull. As a enh shaman you get both enhancing totems and imp weapon totems wich will be usefull if you are in a melee DPS group. also a druid will get the spellcrit aura and shadowpriest will give 15% to shadow dam. So providing you have enough of resto shamans you can actually gain something by having one who is enh. And believe me; we have enough resto shammies :)

[The Dark Messenger]

Spellcrit's not a good thing though - I'm allergic to burst damage that can't be feinted.

Nothing wrong with shadow though, if only one shadow priest - shadow weaving is sexy.

[TooTall]

Spellcrit's not a good thing though - I'm allergic to burst damage that can't be feinted.

Nothing wrong with shadow though, if only one shadow priest - shadow weaving is sexy.

1 shadow priest is yes imo, shadow weaving is kinda imba.
1 feral druid is yes imo, 3% crit for rogues (feint + vanish) and hunters (FD) is nice too.
1 oomkin is nay imo, 3% to spellcasters without any feint like skill is shitty.
1 ench shaman (in 1.11) with the imp groupbuff stuff for the melee group seems nice to me too.

[TheJohn]

btw grats on the 2000+ hours of WoW... :P

now go get a life!

[K-MaN]

lol guys basicly you are saying that Thejohn can do what we all shamans want but we others cant? thats just fucked! I mean there is not 1 damn raid friendly thing about him doing that spec.. And I will not see that 1 shaman can do what he wants and we others have to suffer cause he did it first so no other could.. If you say enhanchment shaman is good then okay, I will spec it too...

[Vildoomer]

Agreed, this is just stupid.

[shamse]

As far as I understand stormstrike is a normal yellow damage attack after patch 1.11. meaning no more macro to get 2 attacks (bug fix) but at the same time it wont proc either weapon buff nor windfury which kinda makes it useless compared to a normal frost shock without an imba weap. =(

Anyway I've got herbalisme/alchemy so nope wont need any meele dmg or anything to farm pots =)

[shamse]

Nope that was just a rumor.... =D

[K-MaN]

Well, I'm w8ing on answers to my post about Thejohn and the spec, Agnatal seems to understand me :) But mostly I wonder how Tootall feels about it since he is the healer "leader"

[Moog]

I wouldn't mind staying shadowspec when I hit 60.
:toast: for shadowweave!

[TooTall]

Kman I might have pointed it out incorrectly but imo it should be like this:

You can specc however you like
Speccs we need get priority on raids
For shamans 1 or 2 alternative speccs should get priority, the people with those specc shouldn't always be the same but shift once in a while. So if you like to deal damage sometimes, you'll be able to raid as a dpser for 1 month or so, but you'll have to pay the respecc costs all yourself imo.

TheJohn was my first choice of going dps specc now, since he's kinda the first shaman in the guild to specc resto :P.

[K-MaN]

And how does the loot thing work for him? Can he roll on shaman healing gear? or/and melee weapon's, "hunter" gear? Cause its not fair for healing shamans that he can roll on healing gear and its not fair for hunters that he can roll on gear dmg..

[shamse]

Dont we "buy" items now with our points ?
items suited for the class ofc.

[TooTall]

And how does the loot thing work for him? Can he roll on shaman healing gear? or/and melee weapon's, "hunter" gear? Cause its not fair for healing shamans that he can roll on healing gear and its not fair for hunters that he can roll on gear dmg..

Imo if his specc is supported by the guild he shoud be able to roll on dps (hunter like) items, while he should be discouraged to roll on healing items. But we'll have to discuss this in /o sometime soon.

[K-MaN]

Okay, but I wont support enhanchment or elemental spec since its not raid friendly and just not fair if only 1 or 2 can..

[K-MaN]

Dont we "buy" items now with our points ?
items suited for the class ofc.


We roll with our points, or something :P I cant explain, ask someone in gchat :)

[The Dark Messenger]

...Thing is, a single ENH shaman is actually beneficial. Trouble is, it's unfair on the others =/ Same as with a shadow priest, or a feralnub druid (moonkin is a different issue - spell crit aura is all it offers over a mage, nuff sed.)

[TooTall]

...Thing is, a single ENH shaman is actually beneficial. Trouble is, it's unfair on the others =/ Same as with a shadow priest, or a feralnub druid (moonkin is a different issue - spell crit aura is all it offers over a mage, nuff sed.)

That is why imo the rolls should be swapt around like every month. I myself am happy to stay disc/holy on my priest, that is after all what I created that charc for.

[K-MaN]

I will never agree that a feral druid is better then rogue or that enhanchment shaman is better then rogue or dps warrior or that a shadow spec priest is better then a warlock or mage.. Never..

My point is: You dont let 1 or 2 do what they want and say that the others have to go resto or else they wont get spot in raid, and that is what you are saying Tootall

[K-MaN]

Btw.. I seem to recall that I said I would never spec resto cause I wanted to stay Enhachment spec when we where on DS, and Kragoth said something like "Then I'm afraid you wont get any spot in the raids".. HELLO!? Why is it suddenly okay for someone to be enhanchment spec now?!? tell me!

[The Dark Messenger]

I said that?

What was I smoking? O_o I would never say that now. It's STRONGLY ENCOURAGED to go Resto, but... shit, I really said that?

BTW, I know a feral or a shadow priest is no better than a rogue/mage, but the thing is that they make the rogues/warlocks more powerful thanks to their support abilities - Shadow Weaving and Leader of the Pack.

[TheJohn]

I just wanted to point out that there was something to gain by some members of a class to specc different. I didnt mean to rock the boat. So if you're gonna be bitches aout it all just resto resto.

And besides... an enh shaman could never get out-DPS'ed by a warr :)

[K-MaN]

I never said enhanchment shaman could be out dps'ed by warrior, I said dps warrior is better then ehanchment shaman.. And it is..

And Kragoth you werent the only one saying that I couldnt go enhachment but you did say it.. So I became resto and stayed in guild instead of staying ehanchment and changing guild.. I dont mind beeing resto but I still want to be ehanchment more then I want to be resto..

[Balthamel]

This was a really tough question for me yesterday, I was actually very upset, and had huge troubles deciding wtf to do. I contemplated everything, from stop playing WoW, to re-rolling or /gquitting. In the the end, I just specced 30/0/21, as I have been for the past 6 months at least, thinking, I´ll just see what happends, and "fuck everyone if we can´t work someting out".

And the question is, when we are talking about different speccs, are we always assuming that one or the other means at least 31 points in that tree??

I really hope we can have a good and working attitude about this, because it´s really important to be able to enjoy playing your char. There are a lot of issues that can make people upset, for example, being encouraged to spec resto (to benefit the guild/raid), and then not being allowed to roll on, say, a healing ring, because it´s going to a priest (to benefit the guild/raid)?????

I´d really like some input here, since for me, these questions have been growing in importance over the last couple of months.

[shamse]

How the hell is this point system working ?!
Dosent make any sense at all people going restoo only getting to roll on restoo items and not meele items etc.

[K-MaN]

Well', I have to take back anything I might have said about at shaman in any case rolling on dmg and healing gear. We shamans should be able to roll on BOTH dmg gear and healing gear since its the way a shaman work, sometimes you HAVE to heal sometimes you HAVE to kill something..

But! I do not support PvP spec in a PvE guild, it dosent matter if we are on a PvP server, we are still a PvE guild.. And no matter how much you want to make me belive you spec non resto cause you want to go grind all your life,you cant.
And thats 1 of the reasons I dont like the guild supporting those specs..

And Balth, your not the only one wondering what to do, I have thought about leaving to but I bigger then that, I can sacrifice 31 points in resto and stay in guild and do my jon and still have fun..

PS: If you dont want to play as resto then dont, but if I where guild leader I would tell you to leave :) But I'm not, so I wont,+ I like you guys :P

[Moog]

Gees, this is hard.

I agree on the point about having a PvP spec, that it doesn't suit a PvE guild, but whnt Balthamel is looking for I think is not a PvP spec but a FuNspec!

We should all have FuNspecs! I'm getting a little nervous myself about grinding a priest; Will I only be looking at ppls healthbars and my enjoyment and fullfillment of WoW will be diminished to seeing the bars go up?

Is the game so linear that all shamans has to be 31 resto or the only enhancement shammy in the guild? Isn't there a middleway? 20ish resto or other ways to benefit from the class?

Moog

ps. Dibs on the shadowspec priest? :lol:

[Vildoomer]

Ofc there are middle ways.. look at wafer.

[K-MaN]

Fun spec and PvP spec both have 1 thing in common, they arent raid friendly, they are selfish specs.. I dont mind it, I love it, but not in this guild (PvE). Thats my point.

[Vildoomer]

This may sound pretty stupid coming from me but what is so much more fun in dpsing? Its MUCH easier... I find it boring.. I'd rather CC or something (GIEF MC PLIX)
But I dont see the difference between healing and dpsing.. I mean you stare at healthbars and only at healing it goes up.. and if you want it to go down.. DL A MOD... There isnt such a difference really.. only that healing is harder which imo would make that more fun.

[Moog]

There HAS to be raidfriendly funspecs.

Let's just all help the shammys out in making some sort of compromise, we don't want to lose them all to the oblivion of boring raidplay, if we can have fun raidplay.

Moog

[shamse]

How you specc shouldent have any impact at all on what items your allowed to get with your points.
IM resto and if I want bloodmail Hauberk and is the one with most points etc then I get it. Because..
a) I've either got higher raid attendence than any other mail using player on that raid.
b) The other players on that raid have spend most of their points on other items and therfore I am now the one with most points to spend.

So I cant see why people shouldent spend their points to their own likings.
Obviously, not taking cloth if any cloth users can use the item etc.

[Balthamel]

K-Man! The question for me is still, is 21 points resto useless? Is 31 the only viable PvE spec? I ofc want to contribute to the guild, but I still want more reason/explanation than just "All shamans must have mana tide, it´s what everyone does, so obey..."

[TooTall]

Trouble, trouble, trouble...

Anyway let me clear up some of my own points and opinions:

1. If you are for example a shaman or druid willing to healing anything with 21 points in resto (<3 insta heal) will do imo. Now it's a proven fact that NS is also very usefull in PvP and 30 points in another tier sounds enough to me to get what you want (or atleast most of it).

2. Each class has of course a best PvE specc. But imo you should get invited to raids regardless of your specc. With imo the use of the following rule; if you're a dps specced shaman (let's say 20/31/0) you'll be invited as a dpser, you won't be asked to heal and will be allowed to dps during the entire run. But you'll have to compete with other dpsers for the raid spots. And imo a rogue should be taken over a dps shaman, since a rogue simply has no choice but to dps. A rogue can't say, ok you shamans dps today, I'll do some healing. This will limit the amount of raids a dps shaman can join to virtually none if we get enough attendees. This is why I would like to inivte a few people with (as you call it) funspeccs cause their specc is supported by the guild. It is however impossible to let every shaman respecc, since we won't have enough healers for anything then. This is why imo a few shamans (1 or 2) should be allowed to specc different. To make it more fair for every shaman those with funspeccs should specc back to healing after some time to give the other shamans an option to dps in raids.

3. To put out my own situation: I like healing, but I will NEVER prefer it over dpsing. In a way I am a big number freak, looking for high crits and imba dps, healing just doesn't give me the amount of "satisfaction" dpsing does give me, yet for every single raid (only during one I temporarily switched) I showed up on my priest and healed. Why, you might ask. For the simple fact that I don't want to ruin a raid cause of a lack of healers, nor do I wish to force others to make the same "sacrifice" as I did: rerolling a class you like less then your (previous) main. But it's impossible to let everyone else go dps at this time, since this will:
a. Gimp the amount of healers we have, disallowing us to raid.
b. Exclude dpsers which have no other job but to dps from the raids, now and then since they job is being done by others.
If we get enough healers willing to fully specc PvE for the guild, we would find our raids filled with healing classes and classes that could heal, which is imo unfair to the full dps classes.

4. I made a list with the loot items from ZG and start of AQ20, the list will be updated when we advance. In the list are two collums: Classes allowed to roll and classes allowed but discouraged to roll. Shamans will mostly be in the classes allowed but discouraged to roll collum for DPS mail and other items, they are allowed to roll on these items, but discouraged to do some since another class will benefit more from it for raids.

5. My points about druids is the following: druids with 21 points in resto should get priority over other druids when inviting to a raid. This will of course allow you to put 30 points in balance or feral, which should be enough imo. Also I would support a feral druid (later on, not now we need healing druids) since the 3% crit aura is decent AND a feral druid doesn't use his/her mana when dpsing, thus he/she is allowed to switch back to caster form and heal if needed. A oomkin isn't ready to do so, so when speccing oomkin imo you totally ruin your own "role" in raids as blizzard stated it: a multi useable class (besides blizzard alway stated druids are one of the two main healing classes, together with priests). While a feral druid will be able to dps and heal during a fight, and tank to since he/she will most likely have some gear for when this is needed, a balance druid won't be able to heal and dps in the extent a feral druid can and tanking is not an option either. Futhermore, the 3% crit aura is crap imo, it's only usefull when the affected classes either have a good aggro dump (casters don't have one) or are able to nuke like a madman without taking aggro, which are mages only when having 8/8 netherwind and a PvE specc (yes dps classes can gimp themselves for solo and/or pvp too when speccing PvE, the gap between their speccs just isn't as huge as the gab between the different speccs for healers are).

EDIT: to actually answer some questions directly:

Balth - no imo 21 points in resto is fine.
Moog - I don't know for sure about shamans and druids, but I do know that as a priest there is no such thing, if you wish to dps you have to go shadow (yes, 31 points for shadowform) and you won't have enough points left to get the decent healing talents (meditation, reduced casting time, more effect on heals, etc.)
Shamse - Yes you are allowed to roll on mail dps items most of the time, this is discouraged and sometimes even forbidden, in these cases it is so because the hunters take way more benefit from the item (not only in raids, but for everything), you can of course bit points on these items if the hunters decide to pass on them.

To Kman - I can see your point, but one "funspecc" of a class in a raid can actually greatly boost other classes.
To Agnatal - Imo Wafer shouldn't get priority in raids and therefor he isn't a middle way case, it's just the fact that we lack druids atm and it's better to have a m00buffing 00mkin in your raid then yet another (if there are more shamans then groups allready) resto shaman. I would pick Fenixen over Wafer any day if I got to choose between them for a raid.

[Balthamel]

First of, thanks a lot Tootall for a very well thought out and insightful answer.
From my perspective, so far, I feel that 30/0/21 has worked fine for me, allowing me to heal quite well, (even noticed myself being second in healing after Leggy, with no major overhealing). And I am not totally against speccing more in to resto if needed, and well motivated.
Regarding the loot tables, my views on that will depend a lot on the way I am treated regarding speccs and how often shamans are used as major healers (ie when we only bring 1 priest and shamans, we are clearly *almost* main healers)

And I can only agree that NS is indeed nice in PvP too... =)

[K-MaN]

Well, since I dont agree with the guild saying its okay for 1 or 2 shamans to spec dps and rest have to stay resto I will have ti reconsider my position in the guild. I dont like the idé you have at all Tootall. I will stay on in the guild as usuall, but I'm tierd of all this difference's so I have to think about it..

[TooTall]

Well, since I dont agree with the guild saying its okay for 1 or 2 shamans to spec dps and rest have to stay resto I will have ti reconsider my position in the guild. I dont like the idé you have at all Tootall. I will stay on in the guild as usuall, but I'm tierd of all this difference's so I have to think about it..

I can see your point and I don't know what Krag's opinion, he is afterall the big boss. If more shamans feel unconfortable with having this idea, I'll drop it straight away.

EDIT: Btw I actually support every shaman to put their other 30 points (after they got NS) into whatever they like it, so in the end you get a raid full with (partial) dps shamans. If you wish to dps during a raid, please inform me and I'll try to find a place where you can, of course this will be different for every shaman, since we can't lack all of them at once and you'll mostly have to heal on bosses. Actually now I come to think of it, I think allowing every shaman to dps once in a while (regardless of his/her specc) is better then supporting one or two shamans with a dps specc.

First of, thanks a lot Tootall for a very well thought out and insightful answer.
From my perspective, so far, I feel that 30/0/21 has worked fine for me, allowing me to heal quite well, (even noticed myself being second in healing after Leggy, with no major overhealing). And I am not totally against speccing more in to resto if needed, and well motivated.
Regarding the loot tables, my views on that will depend a lot on the way I am treated regarding speccs and how often shamans are used as major healers (ie when we only bring 1 priest and shamans, we are clearly *almost* main healers)

And I can only agree that NS is indeed nice in PvP too... =)

Your position on the healing done meters say absolutely nothing about your skill (neither does your position on the damage meters). You are a skilled healer if you know wtf2do in different situations and can adept quickly if something turns out differently imo. And looking at the healers in Chapter Two I don't see anyone being unskilled.

[The Dark Messenger]

This all seems to be stemming from a mistake I made in the past.

As of now, unless anyone has any objections, here's my stance:


We WANT you to spec pure-PvE. This means 17/34 Fury or 11/0/40 Protection for warriors, Disc/Holy or Holy/Disc for priests, Mana tide for shaman. However, if you do not want to spec like this, don't worry about it.
We REQUEST that you spec at least to the core part of your PvE tree - this means 15 points in Prot for any warrior who wishes to tank, 21 in Resto for druids and shaman, and so on. You MAY lose your spot in a run if you don't meet the criteria, but this is only if we feel we REALLY need the guy with the more ideal spec.
At some point, we may REQUEST an off-spec for the following classes: Warrior (MS), Druid (Feral tank), Priest (Shadow-weaving), Warlock (Emperor tanking, but don't worry about that just yet ;) ), and maybe more that I have not thought of yet. If the less desirable specs hold us back, we will get more forceful, but we'll see when the time comes.

[Vildoomer]

I hope I get to tank a emperor ^^ Ill start collecting +shadow res gear immideatly ^^

[K-MaN]

So baicly you are saying you wont let shamans with less then 21 points in raid, is that it? or do you mean they just wont have that big chance? cause I will go respec now as fast as I can if I can still get in raids with less then 21 points..

[The Dark Messenger]

All that I meant by that is that there's a chance that, for new content, we'll take someone with a spec which we need more to give us a better shot. Farmed content or content that we don't seem to be irrepairably stuck on = NP.

Basically, it all boils down to how much you want to serve your guild. We're ASKING you to stay 31 Resto - it is entirely your own choice whether you want to stay resto. Bear in mind, however, that there are people willingly speccing their characters that strongly into serving the guild. And there's certainly nothing wrong with having Nature's Swiftness for anything outside of ZG/AQ/MC.

[MT Silver]

I would just like to note that I think that 11/5/35 spec for a warrior is better for raid tanking then a 11/0/40. Of course, feel free to disagree.

[The Dark Messenger]

I would just like to note that I think that 11/5/35 spec for a warrior is better for raid tanking then a 11/0/40. Of course, feel free to disagree.

I disagree.

[TooTall]

Please don't start endless discussions about the different warrior speccs, or I see no other way then to spam this thread full with a discussion between me and myself whatever to take +10% mana or +10% healing.

[The Dark Messenger]

Go +10% healing, it's better to make your mana worth more than to have more of it because you'll be able to get the same HP out of it either way - it's just with the +10% healing, you'll also regen to full mana faster, getting more out of your MP5 gear.

[TooTall]

Go +10% healing, it's better to make your mana worth more than to have more of it because you'll be able to get the same HP out of it either way - it's just with the +10% healing, you'll also regen to full mana faster, getting more out of your MP5 gear.

But +10% mana is better in shorter fights (5-mans), and yes I have +10% healing, raid specc FTW.

[K-MaN]

All that I meant by that is that there's a chance that, for new content, we'll take someone with a spec which we need more to give us a better shot. Farmed content or content that we don't seem to be irrepairably stuck on = NP.

Basically, it all boils down to how much you want to serve your guild. We're ASKING you to stay 31 Resto - it is entirely your own choice whether you want to stay resto. Bear in mind, however, that there are people willingly speccing their characters that strongly into serving the guild. And there's certainly nothing wrong with having Nature's Swiftness for anything outside of ZG/AQ/MC.


Okay, So then you are saying that whoever specs outside resto will just have to pray too god to get spot in raid? And btw I was lieing when I said I would respec to ehanchment, I'm all about PvE and I almost never grind so I dont need full what I call PvP spec..
BUT, we all shamans need gear so we can kill things, so the day you stop me from biding on a item I need I WILL get pissed :) Just cause we shamans CAN heal dont mean we have to do it ALL the time, actually it dont mean we CAN heal all the time.. Sometimes we have to kill thigns too.

I think my point is very clear for once, so I'm done talking anout this :)

Thanks for the patience.

[Clouku]

Interesting convo.

Raid Specs FTW

Less confusion :D

[TooTall]

Okay, So then you are saying that whoever specs outside resto will just have to pray too god to get spot in raid? And btw I was lieing when I said I would respec to ehanchment, I'm all about PvE and I almost never grind so I dont need full what I call PvP spec..
BUT, we all shamans need gear so we can kill things, so the day you stop me from biding on a item I need I WILL get pissed :) Just cause we shamans CAN heal dont mean we have to do it ALL the time, actually it dont mean we CAN heal all the time.. Sometimes we have to kill thigns too.

I think my point is very clear for once, so I'm done talking anout this :)

Thanks for the patience.

It's the same for priests (and probably druids too)...... luckely I got a rogue to do most of the grinding for me, but then again grinding CC rep is a bitch.

[K-MaN]

Well not all have a killing machine on the side :) I'm not saying just shamans need to get to roll on dmg gear.. I'm saying we all should, cause but not if you want to use it in PvP since we are a PvE guild. AND if we could arange some days when we had time to make guild grinding.. Give the stuff to bank or sell and give the money to bank and if we realy realy need something the bank can either borrow or in some cases give the players some cash for items or other IMPORTENT stuff.. Not like epic mount or something like that :P
You know, things that help us as a guild.. (mats for enchants, gear etc..)

[TooTall]

Well not all have a killing machine on the side :) I'm not saying just shamans need to get to roll on dmg gear.. I'm saying we all should, cause but not if you want to use it in PvP since we are a PvE guild. AND if we could arange some days when we had time to make guild grinding.. Give the stuff to bank or sell and give the money to bank and if we realy realy need something the bank can either borrow or in some cases give the players some cash for items or other IMPORTENT stuff.. Not like epic mount or something like that :P
You know, things that help us as a guild.. (mats for enchants, gear etc..)

(enchanting) maths are allready provided by the bank for rock bottem prices iirc. And of course I never ask a few when enchanting a guildmate :).

[K-MaN]

There is bound to be somethings YOU cant enchant Toot :) AND enchants is not all that is fuck getting.. but it dosent matter I give up.. ofc no one wants to so I wont try more..

NB: just dont try coming and say: O shit, no repair bot!

I wont blame Kragoth OR Trunkfist of they dont have.. :)

[TheJohn]

I just dont see why 21 in resto is better than 20...

You said yourself that NS is nice for PvP. But I dont think I have used it more than 2-3 times ever in a raid.

[TooTall]

I just dont see why 21 in resto is better than 20...

You said yourself that NS is nice for PvP. But I dont think I have used it more than 2-3 times ever in a raid.

*Magmadar enrages*
*Magmadar deals a shitload of damage to Kragoth*
- You start cating Healing Wave.
*Kragoth dies*

But then again this could be preveted by pre-casting your heal.

Anyway it was just a standard from my side, I think you can do without it, just make sure you have 20 points in resto then :P>=.